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Originally posted by Adderfist
Originally posted by Galithor

I like the division setup. Ladder takes care of "balancing" fine for me.



this is obamas america. you need to stop being exceptional and share your trophies. everyone gets a participation ribbon

Originally posted by avgbrad
this is obamas america. you need to stop being exceptional and share your trophies. everyone gets a participation ribbon

In America today,
every 25 f'n
seconds someone
is viciously raped,
someone is
brutally violated;
250 times a day,
someone is murdered,
someone's life is taken,
In America;
This is America,
This is America,
and I love America,
I love America!

Originally posted by Parab00n
I guess we are headed to redoing the leagues every year, the top 12 in the first league, 13-24 in the next, and so forth. You know, to make it perfectly balanced. Also, every team needs a participation trophy from now on. In fact, lets just not keep score any more. My dots keep getting their feelings hurt.

Well, except that some people would prefer to see the top 11 teams spread out to the 11 leagues in Alpha Divisions, then 12-22 put into Beta Divisions, then 23-33 into Gamma. Then 34-44 go into Gamma again, and 45-55 into Beta, and 56-66 in Alpha, and so forth. That way teams 1-11 will get the best record and be the #1 seed and play the wild card out of gamma because the entire purpose of the regular season is to make sure that the best 4 teams are in the playoffs and we want to make every league fair, I mean what happens if the top 5 teams were all in the same league?

People have different goals as to what they want to see out of the league structure, which is why they disagree as to what the right solutions are. And why it's impossible to make everyone happy. Which is why I advocate for the status quo - it's workable, it has advantages, random requires no manpower and provides no incentive to tank for a season, and there's no cost to keeping it the same. Changing it to suit one group won't solve anything for anyone else, and just takes away dev time to rotate who thinks the league structure sucks. Leave it alone.

Originally posted by NiborRis

People have different goals as to what they want to see out of the league structure, which is why they disagree as to what the right solutions are. And why it's impossible to make everyone happy. Which is why I advocate for the status quo - it's workable, it has advantages, random requires no manpower and provides no incentive to tank for a season, and there's no cost to keeping it the same. Changing it to suit one group won't solve anything for anyone else, and just takes away dev time to rotate who thinks the league structure sucks. Leave it alone.

I absolutely agree. I have seen every side of this argument with my teams thus far and I think it is great. Like I said my only problem is losing my huge rival under the reshuffle which is an unfortunate part of the leagues taking a bite.

Originally posted by bhall43
I absolutely agree. I have seen every side of this argument with my teams thus far and I think it is great. Like I said my only problem is losing my huge rival under the reshuffle which is an unfortunate part of the leagues taking a bite.

Losing rivals blows - but tough leagues = good game.

Thorndog for Bortsident.

Originally posted by bhall43
So tired of pussies. If you honestly feel like you have a right as a third place team in a division or as 2nd best record among non division winners, you can suck a dick.

It's not about being a pussy. It's adding more competition because you don't have the 3rd or 4th best team out of the playoffs because they are 3rd in their division.

Originally posted by bhall43
It absolutely makes it more competitive. You are too stuck on placing the entire season on one game.

Playoff games are important.

Originally posted by Parab00n
I guess we are headed to redoing the leagues every year, the top 12 in the first league, 13-24 in the next, and so forth. You know, to make it perfectly balanced. Also, every team needs a participation trophy from now on. In fact, lets just not keep score any more. My dots keep getting their feelings hurt.

You obviously don't get it. If you remove divisions you no longer have weak teams riding a weak division getting into the playoffs, giving the #1 seed an easier game. If you just give the playoff seeds to the 4 best teams then it makes it harder for everyone. You also don't have good teams getting snuffed out by a weak team they beat twice just because they have 2 better teams in their division. The playoffs take 4 teams, and they should be the top 4.

Originally posted by Galithor
I like the division setup. Ladder takes care of "balancing" fine for me.

You can have both and you don't have to settle for mediocrity.

Originally posted by bhall43
You can say whatever you want about me. I'll roll with whatever league I have and have fun with it somehow. I'm not gonna bitch if I lose to the bruins and providence and not make the playoffs. Why? Cuz I have already shown I don't deserve it.

I'm not bitching. I had the idea for a while and posted it before the new season. You are stuck on the notion this is making things easier for anyone or something, I dunno. Whether you are 3rd in the division or not doesn't prove whether you deserve it or not. If you are the 3rd or 4th best team then you deserve the 3rd or 4th best spot. You'll provide more competition than the #5 team. You at #3 or 4 will be tougher competition on the road to the championship. Even though you are 3rd in the division you still may be 3rd in the whole division and have the 3rd highest chance at winning the trophy. Why should you be out, that would only give the other teams an easier road.

Ok, check this out. What if instead of being locked into a weak or strong division, teams played other teams in their league with the same record.

This way, if the top 3 in Rhino Alpha do good, they'll play each other twice each year like division rivals (along with another similar record). The teams that have bad records in other division, like Beta with Jebs won't be forced to play Jebs twice, they'll be scheduled against other teams in the division with similar records.

Then the level of competition is high no matter if people leave or enter your division. Nobody get a free playoff spot or is snubbed of one because of randomness. Everyone seems to like the ladder, and this is like that. Rivalry is instilled in those with like records.

Everybody gets more even matchups for better competition. All 4 teams in the playoffs have the 4 highest chances based on record. The weak teams leave less often because they have more games with teams with like records instead of getting beat down by the best teams twice each season. Many things are fixed, nothing is broken.

There are problems, and I've offered attainable solutions and showed how they can be better. Why stick with having the problems when they can be fixed and when what everyone complains about on both sides, competition, can be kept but evened?

Originally posted by NiborRis
Well, except that some people would prefer to see the top 11 teams spread out to the 11 leagues in Alpha Divisions, then 12-22 put into Beta Divisions, then 23-33 into Gamma. Then 34-44 go into Gamma again, and 45-55 into Beta, and 56-66 in Alpha, and so forth. That way teams 1-11 will get the best record and be the #1 seed and play the wild card out of gamma because the entire purpose of the regular season is to make sure that the best 4 teams are in the playoffs and we want to make every league fair, I mean what happens if the top 5 teams were all in the same league?

People have different goals as to what they want to see out of the league structure, which is why they disagree as to what the right solutions are. And why it's impossible to make everyone happy. Which is why I advocate for the status quo - it's workable, it has advantages, random requires no manpower and provides no incentive to tank for a season, and there's no cost to keeping it the same. Changing it to suit one group won't solve anything for anyone else, and just takes away dev time to rotate who thinks the league structure sucks. Leave it alone.

You've already proved you can't even out divisions in earlier posts. If you do what you, split the top3 into separate division, the next 3 into separated divisions, etc, then you are just creating 3 playoff spots and 3 teams fighting for a WC, and 6 teams with a tiny chance. That doesn't really make anything more even, it just prob gives the top 3 a more straightforward shot at not loosing their spot.

This is why divisions in such small leagues don't work correctly. Or at least having divisions hand out playoff spots like they do doesn't work. The change I proposed doesn't cater to anyone. It does the same thing the ladder does. So if my proposal isn't fair, or isn't competitive then so too is the ladder, (and that person doesn't understand).

Once this is put in place it fixes everything and doesn't need to be changed and nobody can prove it doesn't work. A better way doesn't exist in such a small league structure. There are finite ways to make 12 teams fit into the schedule.

Say all three Alpha teams in Rhino and Jebs in Beta get 10 wins and are the top 4 records in that league. Wouldn't it be better for those 4 teams to play each other twice instead of Jebs getting to play easier competition for 6 games and Nashville in Alpha getting beat down 6 times each season? Why now match up Nashville with 3 other teams with like records instead of 3 top 15 teams each season?

See how this makes it more competitive for everyone?

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Say all three Alpha teams in Rhino and Jebs in Beta get 10 wins and are the top 4 records in that league. Wouldn't it be better?

NO...I think thats what many agents here try to already tell you

Originally posted by peeti
NO...I think thats what many agents here try to already tell you



But Bhall is screaming out for competition here, yet if his team were in Jebs' spot he'd be stuck with no competition.

You cut the explanation short, and in so the reason it is better.

You all say no, you don't like it because of this and you want this. But if you understood it, it is giving you exactly what you want. You guys just don't understand and that's not a reason to bash it, it's a reason to be quiet or ask questions.