Warrior General Games

Originally posted by LouDawg
Uhhh, Hagler was also the backup DE for the first half of the season. He was only promoted to the starting DE for the second half, when his numbers got the attention of the defensive coordinator.

We can argue coulda, shoulda, woulda all day. The numbers that Hagler put up are impressive in their own right. Should we project what they would have been if he had been the starter all season?

Go for it. It doesn't change the production rate, which doesn't factor in who starts and who doesn't.

(Also, if he'd started he'd have gone against the starting OTs more and his production would be lower. And it's already lower than Smith's.)

Next lame argument not based in fact?

he would have been in 200 more plays and gotten almost 5 more sacks?

Ok lets talk PRODUCTION

23 sacks

Scoreboard, game over

Originally posted by JKates
Next lame argument not based in fact?

That's really your department, isn't it? :-)

Originally posted by mykel
Ok lets talk PRODUCTION

23 sacks

Scoreboard, game over

There ya go, back to the Jr. High arguments. (And I won't post the projections, but if the plays were remotely close...)

Call me when you've digested what I wrote or asked a teammate to explain it to you....

Originally posted by LouDawg
Originally posted by JKates

Next lame argument not based in fact?

That's really your department, isn't it? :-)

Actually, I live and deal in numbers/facts. If you care to dispute any of my numbers I will gladly double check them. If you want to keep up the emotional arguments, well I am tired of debunking those.

Originally posted by JKates
Originally posted by mykel

Ok lets talk PRODUCTION

23 sacks

Scoreboard, game over

There ya go, back to the Jr. High arguments. (And I won't post the projections, but if the plays were remotely close...)

Call me when you've digested what I wrote or asked a teammate to explain it to you....


You know, trying to explain basic concepts to someone that refuses to admit that 2+2 actually DOES equal 4 is frustrating some time. You are talking PROJECTIONS. PROJECTIONS on what he would do given the amount of plays I had. I am talking actual, factual numbers. Do you comprehend the difference?

Since I am so emotional and don't know how to count, who had the most sacks this season? The most hurries? Help me out here, OK?

And let's not forget that Hagler was playing against teams that were waaaay better than the creampuffs faced by any Western conference DE. Judging by the six-packs of ass whoop handed out by the East today, I'd say that the East has teams that are better by a ratio of 10:6.

Originally posted by mykel
Originally posted by JKates

Originally posted by mykel


Ok lets talk PRODUCTION

23 sacks

Scoreboard, game over

There ya go, back to the Jr. High arguments. (And I won't post the projections, but if the plays were remotely close...)

Call me when you've digested what I wrote or asked a teammate to explain it to you....


You know, trying to explain basic concepts to someone that refuses to admit that 2+2 actually DOES equal 4 is frustrating some time. You are talking PROJECTIONS. PROJECTIONS on what he would do given the amount of plays I had. I am talking actual, factual numbers. Do you comprehend the difference?


Here's what you don't seem to get. I'm not talking projections. I did use them as an example because that normally makes it easier to grasp. I can see now that I overestimated you and your LapDawg.

PRODUCTION RATE is what I'm discussing and using as a basis for my argument. If you can't understand the significance of it, then don't be upset with me.

Any dolt can see that Haggler ended the season with 1 more sack than Smith, and I see that at least 2 have noticed. That's not something one can argue against. It happened.

Neither can one argue that Smith produced at a higher rate (sacks per snaps played). It's factual. There is no room for debate. It's just how it is.

Now, one could use the production rates to project things, but apparently you 2 don't understand how that concept works. So let's just drop the word "projections" from here out. I'm not interested in discussing them, as much as you may think I am. No more projections? Deal?

Let's just deal in facts.

Nobody ever answered my question from earlier. I'll repost....

Hagler
1 tackle every 11.38 plays.
1 hurry every 23.90 plays.
1 sack every 41.57 plays.
1 TFL every 47.8 plays.

Smith
1 tackle every 6.99 plays.
1 hurry every 16.95 plays.
1 sack every 30.82 plays.
1 TFL every 29.48 plays.

Which player produced at a higher rate?

Or to look at it another way (I'm trying to make it easy for you guys).

Say we made them both starters and gave them equal snaps:

How many plays would it take for Hagler to get a tackle? What about Smith?
How many plays would it take for Hagler to get a hurry? What about Smith?
How many plays would it take for Hagler to get a sack? What about Smith?
How many plays would it take for Hagler to get a TFL? What about Smith?

You keep bringup up rates. Our backup QB had 7 TDs and 0 picks. His per completion yardage was the highest in the league. Based upon rates of production, should we say he's better than Lord Brady?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46409 is a more logical choice for mvp =)

You can say whatever you want. But you still won't answer any of my (easy) questions. I answered yours about who had the most sacks (it was Haggler). Oops, did it again.

Care to answer mine? Which DE produced at a higher rate?

(Also, just noticed the Tricity backup QB is nonexistent. Were you making things up or referring to another team when you said "our backup QB?" Let's keep our leagues straight so the comparisons are valid. Thanks.)

The backup was traded after week 6. He now starts on the Mean Street Metalheads. Everything I said about him was true. His rate of production was better than Lord Brady's or Eli Spiderpig's.

The Gun Show for MVP!!!!