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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
1. Recent precedent has been extra WL team stays, not extra team promotes (early precedent was extra promote)

2. Owners take responsibility for who has access to AI's and different GM tools. Changing the DAI with access is NOT a bannable offense.

3. It is rather funny that this stuff happened in a ATKM vs Blaze match-up.

4. No way on earth should Blaze get extra spot regardless since both Ice+fire and Hedgehogs went 16-0 and lost CCG, would make zero sense to let a 15-1 team in WL.

I imagine extra WL teams just stay since that's what's been happening, but imo dpride got what was coming to him and regardless blaze to WL s23 isn't happening without retardation...

Wise coming with the heat, good arguments here.

If there was malicious intent - yeah that sucks, but being awarded a spot isn't good for the game as there are other teams who had very good seasons who lost in the playoffs as well.

If it was just a mistake then this thread wouldn't have been started imo.

Originally posted by reddogrw
Don't you feel that respect like that should be earned on some front?

It's not like an unfortunate turn of events made him act like an ass all the time - that was a choice

If he at least had ever tried to act with integrity on this site it might be different.

You have people that don't like you because of how you come across sometimes, but you aren't going around starting threads to attack people - you just rub people the wrong way sometimes (sometimes intentionally) when trying to have a lucid and rational discussion

if you cannot see the difference between someone like you and dpride I am sorry, but I feel the difference is night and day

True, as an individual I don't like or respect Dpride/Dana at all. But I do respect his accomplishments and I think alot of people feel this way. Its hard to feel sorry for someone who constantly hazes and talks sh*t to people on an hourly bases. Do I think the Blaze would improve WL? Yes I do. Are they a legit top 32 team in the game? I believe they are. But as far as him personally he deserves no respect or sympathy for the way he parades around the forums here and the way he conducts himself.

Originally posted by Hickster
We can agree to disagree then because I feel a respect or what you call lolintegrity has to be earned and in this case, its safe to say he has done all but earn that lol
Originally posted by reddogrw
Don't you feel that respect like that should be earned on some front?
Exactly not. Integrity, fairness, etc cannot be conditional or it isn't real. If it's dependent upon how much you like or dislike the subject in question, then it's just a fake anyway to make you feel like you treat people that way when you actually don't. Respect is something quite different, though. You don't have to respect dpride to feel bad for what happened or think it's unfortunate. But again, it takes no character to stand up for someone people like. It's putting personal feelings aside and siding with what's "right" even if it helps someone you dislike that defines the depth of your character.

Originally posted by
if you cannot see the difference between someone like you and dpride I am sorry, but I feel the difference is night and day
Of course I see many differences, but that's not the point. I'm never going to side for or against anyone based on emotion. I'm always going to side with what I believe is "right."


Originally posted by Disastermaster
So you are saying if he screwed up his Defense AI than Blaze should be promoted to WL?
I'm saying that what happened to his team was very unfortunate, whether an accident or intentional. I'm also saying that if WL playoff teams decide not to return, then those spots should go to the best teams. And yes, sorry WiSe, but I think the Blaze are the best team who would otherwise get left out.


Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
1. Recent precedent has been extra WL team stays, not extra team promotes (early precedent was extra promote) 2. Owners take responsibility for who has access to AI's and different GM tools. Changing the DAI with access is NOT a bannable offense. 3. It is rather funny that this stuff happened in a ATKM vs Blaze match-up. 4. No way on earth should Blaze get extra spot regardless since both Ice+fire and Hedgehogs went 16-0 and lost CCG, would make zero sense to let a 15-1 team in WL.

I imagine extra WL teams just stay since that's what's been happening, but imo dpride got what was coming to him and regardless blaze to WL s23 isn't happening without retardation...
1. Precedent has no meaning here since spots have gone to both Pro teams and existing WL teams. There's no particular rhyme or reason to how it's been decided in the past. I know it's easy for me to say since it doesn't actually apply, but if Providence was sitting at #9 then I would still say that the Blaze deserved to get the spot. Let's face it, does anyone believe they wouldn't have beaten ATKM if not for that mishap? They scored 61 points without anyone screwing up the other defense.

2. As we've learned, the only bannable offense is excessively annoying one of the admins. We play this game together, and it's absurd for anyone to say that it's a team owner's responsibility if a coordinator messes up or if an agent changes their equipment. Those are all on the people who did the act themselves, the owner can't just mind-read and somehow know when something is going to happen, nor should they be paranoid enough to double check everything someone does on their team. And if this was a mistake that dpride made himself, then it's obviously his fault, but that doesn't mean it isn't unfortunate.

3. Hard to believe, indeed.

4. Any extra spots should go to the best team who would otherwise be left out. Let's face it, USA East was a better conference than USA West or WEPL Alpha this season. I feel bad for langer in particular, as I really like those guys. But I don't believe that Ice & Fire is a better team or had a better season than the Blaze. I also feel that having the Blaze in the WL would make it stronger than having the Hedgehogs, Ice & Fire, or even Alpine. The best thing for this league and the game in general would be for the Blaze to get a spot. *shrug* That's just my dispassionate judgment.

lolsomanyedits

Originally posted by jdbolick


4. Any extra spots should go to the best team from Pro. Let's face it, USA East was a better conference than USA West or WEPL Alpha this season. I feel bad for langer in particular, as I really like those guys. But I don't believe that Ice & Fire is a better team or had a better season than the Blaze. I also feel that having the Blaze in the WL would make it stronger than having the Hedgehogs, Ice & Fire, or even Alpine. The best thing for this league and the game in general would be for the Blaze to get a spot. *shrug* That's just my dispassionate judgment.

Imo the best team from Pro this season is BAB no question and yet they fell in the 2nd round of playoffs.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Hickster

We can agree to disagree then because I feel a respect or what you call lolintegrity has to be earned and in this case, its safe to say he has done all but earn that lol
Originally posted by reddogrw

Don't you feel that respect like that should be earned on some front?
Exactly not. Integrity, fairness, etc cannot be conditional or it isn't real. If it's dependent upon how much you like or dislike the subject in question, then it's just a fake anyway to make you feel like you treat people that way when you actually don't. Respect is something quite different, though. You don't have to respect dpride to feel bad for what happened or think it's unfortunate. But again, it takes no character to stand up for someone people like. It's putting personal feelings aside and siding with what's "right" even if it helps someone you dislike that defines the depth of your character.

Originally posted by

if you cannot see the difference between someone like you and dpride I am sorry, but I feel the difference is night and day
Of course I see many differences, but that's not the point. I'm never going to side for or against anyone based on emotion. I'm always going to side with what I believe is "right."


Originally posted by Disastermaster

So you are saying if he screwed up his Defense AI than Blaze should be promoted to WL?
I'm saying that what happened to his team was very unfortunate, whether an accident or intentional. I'm also saying that if WL playoff teams decide not to return, then those spots should go to the best teams. And yes, sorry WiSe, but I think the Blaze are the best team who would otherwise get left out.


Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

1. Recent precedent has been extra WL team stays, not extra team promotes (early precedent was extra promote) 2. Owners take responsibility for who has access to AI's and different GM tools. Changing the DAI with access is NOT a bannable offense. 3. It is rather funny that this stuff happened in a ATKM vs Blaze match-up. 4. No way on earth should Blaze get extra spot regardless since both Ice+fire and Hedgehogs went 16-0 and lost CCG, would make zero sense to let a 15-1 team in WL.

I imagine extra WL teams just stay since that's what's been happening, but imo dpride got what was coming to him and regardless blaze to WL s23 isn't happening without retardation...
1. Precedent has no meaning here since spots have gone to both Pro teams and existing WL teams. There's no particular rhyme or reason to how it's been decided in the past. I know it's easy for me to say since it doesn't actually apply, but if Providence was sitting at #9 then I would still say that the Blaze deserved to get the spot. Let's face it, does anyone believe they wouldn't have beaten ATKM if not for that mishap? They scored 61 points without anyone screwing up the other defense.

2. As we've learned, the only bannable offense is excessively annoying one of the admins. We play this game together, and it's absurd for anyone to say that it's a team owner's responsibility if a coordinator messes up or if an agent changes their equipment. Those are all on the people who did the act themselves, the owner can't just mind-read and somehow know when something is going to happen, nor should they be paranoid enough to double check everything someone does on their team. And if this was a mistake that dpride made himself, then it's obviously his fault, but that doesn't mean it isn't unfortunate.

3. Hard to believe, indeed.

4. Any extra spots should go to the best team who would otherwise be left out. Let's face it, USA East was a better conference than USA West or WEPL Alpha this season. I feel bad for langer in particular, as I really like those guys. But I don't believe that Ice & Fire is a better team or had a better season than the Blaze. I also feel that having the Blaze in the WL would make it stronger than having the Hedgehogs, Ice & Fire, or even Alpine. The best thing for this league and the game in general would be for the Blaze to get a spot. *shrug* That's just my dispassionate judgment.

lolsomanyedits

If we went by who we all thought was the best team we would just rank the teams ourselves and not play the games

Maybe someone should make a PF and we can vote on this

Perhaps a day 40 4 or 8 team playoff for any extra WL spots

Games at 8, 12, 4 & 8 if need be - would be great drama tbh

Originally posted by jdbolick



4. Any extra spots should go to the best team who would otherwise be left out. Let's face it, USA East was a better conference than USA West or WEPL Alpha this season. I feel bad for langer in particular, as I really like those guys. But I don't believe that Ice & Fire is a better team or had a better season than the Blaze. I also feel that having the Blaze in the WL would make it stronger than having the Hedgehogs, Ice & Fire, or even Alpine. The best thing for this league and the game in general would be for the Blaze to get a spot. *shrug* That's just my dispassionate judgment.

lolsomanyedits

Beside going 15-1 in USA Pro what has Blaze done to deserve being in WL? They lost many ranked scrims, got knocked out early in every tournament.

I&F went 16-0 in WEPL Pro, finished 2nd in GLB tournament, ranked way higher than the Blaze in every ranking etc. So whats your point in Blaz deserving a WL spot? And why do you think that USA East is better than WEPL Alpha. No team in USA East has accomplished anything this season in any tournament. There are 4-5 ok teams in USA East, thats the same amount of ok teams in WEPL Alpha, there is no real difference between those 2 leagues.

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Originally posted by Disastermaster
Beside going 15-1 in USA Pro what has Blaze done to deserve being in WL? They lost many ranked scrims, got knocked out early in every tournament.

I&F went 16-0 in WEPL Pro, finished 2nd in GLB tournament, ranked way higher than the Blaze in every ranking etc. So whats your point in Blaz deserving a WL spot? And why do you think that USA East is better than WEPL Alpha. No team in USA East has accomplished anything this season in any tournament. There are 4-5 ok teams in USA East, thats the same amount of ok teams in WEPL Alpha, there is no real difference between those 2 leagues.

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are you really talking about scrimmages as if they should matter for anything? :/

Hopefully Dpride gets a good lesson in humility regardless of the outcome. He isn't the only one spending his time, effort, and money to succeed. Rubbing everyone's faces in his feces gets quite old.

....why don't he just go win a ring about it

Originally posted by Disastermaster
Beside going 15-1 in USA Pro what has Blaze done to deserve being in WL? They lost many ranked scrims, got knocked out early in every tournament.

I&F went 16-0 in WEPL Pro, finished 2nd in GLB tournament, ranked way higher than the Blaze in every ranking etc. So whats your point in Blaz deserving a WL spot? And why do you think that USA East is better than WEPL Alpha. No team in USA East has accomplished anything this season in any tournament. There are 4-5 ok teams in USA East, thats the same amount of ok teams in WEPL Alpha, there is no real difference between those 2 leagues.

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you do realize that we started the season with 20 chem and about 75% of the roster just got 72s?

Originally posted by Disastermaster
I&F went 16-0 in WEPL Pro, finished 2nd in GLB tournament, ranked way higher than the Blaze in every ranking etc. So whats your point in Blaz deserving a WL spot?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1702573 And you're not seriously going to pretend that the Blaze aren't a stronger team than I&F or the Hedgehogs, are you? No one would have said that before today, but suddenly some people want to make that argument because they have a reason to pretend that it's true. Suppress your emotions and try to think rationally.

Originally posted by
And why do you think that USA East is better than WEPL Alpha.
Because I have a brain and choose to use it.

alot of sense is being made in this thread....

no offense i would take a demoting team over a team that doesnt win a pro .gif

Originally posted by Gart888
precedence


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