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Originally posted by The Eagle
since they went to age-based leagues, instead of level, no/no's are at more and more disadvantage the higher you go. 3 levels behind per season, pretty much...plus the EQ.

pee-wee is the "easiest" place for a no/no to win right now. Of course it isn't "easy" by any means.



Exactly. My brother coordinates for a team called Bloody Knuckles. They did not do the inital boost to level 4 before the season started, so they began the season down 3 levels to most teams, Once teams do this seasons boost, he'll be around 5 levels behind. After next season, that will increase to 8 levels. 10 or 11 the next. Pretty much makes any sort of No/No team only useful if in Peewee.

Originally posted by iStoner
Its all in the hips, its all in the hips.

My point is that given an even playing field to start boosting makes the most impact at the lower level since the boosted levels represent a higher percent of the given players total value.

If GLB can't get their promotion stuff worked out where they provide a somewhat even playing field to start in upper leagues it isn't because of a flaw in their design but rather their implementation of it. But, here in peewee where the field always starts out even, you can no doubt buy a trophy by boosting for a single season; something that can't be mimicked anywhere else outside of the Rookie leagues.

Essentially, I don't disagree with you because I haven't gone and looked at the Leagues to see how "even" they do start...
But it doesn't change the validity of the statement.

I agree for the most part here too, but I don't think the benefit is more or less based on where in the career. In my example above, his team will be about 20-30% behind everyone else for the first few seasons, and if anything will be more dramatic after that. They'll be getting 4 levels per season to his 1. Either way though, if your point is that a non-booster is at a serious (if not insurmountable) disadvantage, you are absolutely correct.

Problem is that we have a Catch-22 here...

Yes, limiting owners/coaches to one PW team would bring more talent to Gold and allow more Silver talent to develop. BUT many owners/coaches in Gold enjoy PW so much we like helping out or even running/owning other teams.

If we do restrict ourselves, it's like we will loose some Gold talent, either to upper levels or out of the game totally. But if we don't restrict, we stifle new talent. No real clear cut path to choose.

Originally posted by zmj44
Originally posted by ManOgwaR

YES! ...YOU ARE THE BIGGEST PIG OF THEM ALL!

...so that is the respect you have for silver is it? ...that why you involved with so many teams innit? ...you just butt hurt over me telling the truth! ...you know as well as I do that it not so difficult DCing for more than one peewee team ...just gotta do the same adjustments to each team ...it just takes a bit more time to do it! ...I dun need sources finding out shit about you ~ i just go look under the nearest rock coz you got shit stashed everywhere! ...I'm not in any hurry about leaving the silver leagues coz it too expensive for me to have a team in gold! ...I dun need to feed my ego by winning championships! ...speaking of championships, where is your gold league one? ...you're coordinator on so many teams there and have been up there for long enough, and still haven't even won a conference championship yet?!? ...hey at least I have one of those for my time in gold as DC! ...I never needed to be on multiple gold teams to get it either

The truth that I DC so many teams??? OH NO I DC SO MANY TEAMS THE TRUTH BURNS!!!

I DC 2 gold teams and a silver team...the others are LOL titles or I set up an AI and leave...

I lolgm two other gold teams...you think they would actually want me seeing their AIs? thats fucking stupid man...
If so many teams is 2...then what is happening with this? I've been to back to back conference championships and fucked up in both of them...also if long enough is 2+ seasons then what the fuck are you talking about?

dude ...you just don't get it do you?!? ...whether they want you to see their AIs or not really isn't the issue! ...the issue is why are you named as co-owner or anything other than just GM for doing nothing?!? ...that sounds more stupid than what you're trying to make me sound! ...if you are doing nothing then it makes sense to give you a title that at least insinuates that!

...lemme put it another way for you ...if I was invited as GM to a team ...for arguments sake, a copper team and I accepted it, then suddenly they made me Co-owner/DC/HC/whatever other than GM ...I would take myself off their GM list! ...If we only had won the conference championship and not the gold trophy, then that title on my profile would haunt me, coz I had nothing to do with it, but others would assume by reading my profile that I did have somthn to do with it failing! ...I have helped out copper teams before, but once I set them up I would take myself off their GM list! ...I dun want copper trophies clogging up my profile! ...I hate the gold trophy that I have on my profile already from helping a copper team out before, and the only reason it is still there is coz my browser won't allow me to take the damn thing off! ...now getting back to the subject ...the point that I am trying to make is that if I was given some title that indicated that I was doing somthn more than what I was doing, I couldn't allow myself to retain that title coz it would be misleading! ...I would not be happy if I had some title of a team that made it sound like I was a coordinator of a team that won a championship, when in fact, I hadn't done anything for the team! ...I dunno how any of you gold coordinators could even try and justify it by saying that they 'lolgm' spots! ...maybe I have a bit more pride for my efforts than gold coordinators do?!?

#EDIT#
lemme extend on this coz obviously you guys don't understand how being a GM on a 'RIVAL' gold team could be a conflict of interest! ...I mean if the teams are not rivals, then why are the teams there in the first place?!? ...all the more reason to limit your gold efforts to one team, rather than whoring yourselves around the gold league like mercenaries! ...dun give me that crap about yas helping out a friend, etc, coz yas aren't fooling anyone but yourselves! ...there are other coordinators that could fill that void on teams that may not do as good a job, but will learn and become better as time progresses, and that is the whole point about why new blood should be given a chance in gold! ...now think about the advantages and disadvantages of having a RIVAL coordinator on your team ...they can see the builds on your team and use the AIs off that team to make their AIs better! ...it doesn't necessarily mean that they will use them to your teams advantage, coz really it all about the individual coordinator and what he gets out of it, rather than what he can do for your team! ...and what will become of all this?!? ...would it be ideal if zmj and maybe a couple of others to be the only decent DCs in gold, and every team in gold used them as DC?!?

then there is this BS about the teams being CPU and that is the reason that coordinators justify coordinating for other teams ...where i can see some allowance for that, there is no real excuse for coordinating for more than one other team if they are still tied to that CPU team, coz that CPU team is denying another team of coordinators coming through the system, and what happens when that team gets demoted back to silver? ...does that mean it will come back to gold using the gold coordinators AIs only to go CPU again?!? ...and then how many teams will that coordinator be coordinating for in gold? ...we gotta take all of these things into consideration! ...it's killing the competition, which imo will certainly lead to peewee extinction! ...now zmj talks about how he loves peewee, blah blah! ...if that was true, then he would have respect for this and limit his efforts to one gold team for the sake of allowing a new coordinator to come into gold! ...I think that zmj is more self-serving than you guys give him credit for! ...all the so called teaching and helping that he does for coordinators outside of gold is insignificant compared to the learning that a coordinator could get from coordinating in the gold league!

Originally posted by D~Town
Originally posted by DirtyMike

0 cares, just proves the disinterest in the game from the gold coaching hierarchy.



all the more reason to limit themselves to one team!!! ...I mean come on ...all it takes is some consideration for others in the peewee community! ...stop being so self serving and ignorant!

I get what you are saying ManO.......and in a perfect world I would agree. It pretty much is the same argument for limiting the number of teams owned in the Gold League. I have limited myself at least from Coor duties......And only handle the Bears...I do have lolgm spots on some teams PNP, and SBWL of which gives me access to nothing I wouldn't already have since I have players on those teams. And that is more about developing contacts with LE and ZMJ after we dissolved the pimps. I do nothing for those teams other then give ZMJ a hard time about his defense.

But where do we draw the line???? Does that mean an agent should not make players for multiple teams?

And some coor may get bored with running just one team. And if bored they may just end up giving it up all together.....which isn't good either....

And of course this is all pointless anyway. Because anyone can do what they want....

The best way to increase the talent in GOLD is to reduce the # of silver leagues. Then make it to where the conference champions all get to go. I think it is a little too hard sometimes that you have to win the league to get in. There are probably some more talented teams in silver right now that did not get to gold just because they ran into that one team in silver that was just slightly better or had the better sim that day. And two months is a long time to wait to have another chance at it.

Reducing the number of silver teams will not increase the number of talented people coming out. Recruiting may become easier, but it will not make people learn building techniques, custom Ds, AIs, etc.

People who never get to work with a full team of custom built players for pee wee will never get any good versus teams that already have this lined up before rollover.

In all honesty THE best way to learn Pee Wee is to make all or almost all of the players of the team yourself. Have a plan in mind, and execute it. People starting now are going to be discouraged when they come up against the better teams... like if you think QB rollouts are the best thing because you are getting 800 yards a game with your QB until they get -3 yards per carry versus even average Gold teams.

Copper teams should be for copper players: people who are just trying to get started in Pee Wee or GLB. Silver is for people who have learned the ropes and are commited to playing this game, but aren't quite Gold level OR Gold teams who are running experiments. Gold is for the best of the best, and those who make it through a weak silver.

You contradict yourself there like 5 times TT...

If you reduce the number of silver leagues then this is the effect:

Teams stop getting 800 yards a game with QB rollouts because they face more often than not teams that actually have custom built plays, thus they quickly learn that maybe QB rollouts aren't the way to go...

Getting beat by better teams may to you seem like it is just going to make people submit to defeat, but I like to believe that getting an asswhooping by 60 points more than one time a season (by the one good team in every silver conference) will rather than making those people assume that they are indeed actually good at the game just those guys are way better.... inspire them to figure out why everyone is beating their ass so bad.

It is the 9 CPU, or practically CPU teams in every silver conference that give people the false confidence that makes them honestly believe they don't need to look in the forums for guides, as around, and watch Gold League games to figure out exactly why they randomly lost by 60 points.

Also, if every other game wasn't a blow out... then maybe people would actually watch more games... and that is a method of improvement in itself.... even if you are two bad teams against each other... watching the game you notice stuff even if your not looking for it, or don't even know what to do with what you notice.... at least you notice your getting burnt by QB runs to the outside... and knowing that makes looking in the forums a whole heck of a lot easier...

Back when every league was generally competitive and didn't have 10 cpu teams in each conference there was a post in the forums once every week about "HOW THE HECK DO YOU STOP THE QB RUNS" that no longer exist because well to be honest people are fooled by the lack of competition in to thinking they don't need help.

Originally posted by iStoner
You contradict yourself there like 5 times TT...

iStoner used 'acted like he knew what's up'. It wasn't very effective.

I never said once that the number of leagues shouldn't be reduced, I said that the core of the problem is not solved by reducing the number of leagues. It will solve A problem, but you still leave far too many. I have long been an advocate of reducing the silver and copper leagues. In fact, if you want to hop in the way back machine to before you even started playing Pee Wee, I was an advocate of reducing the number of leagues before they even introduced the tiers.

What my post says, (and don't confuse you disagreeing with me with me contridicting myself) is:

1) Working with a team of shitty builds or builds not meant for Pee Wee means that your plays and AI will never mature;
2) Reducing the number of teams will make recruiting easier, but it will NOT mean that the available pool of players will be any better;
3) Building your own players, and as many as possible, will make you more inclined to watch the games and learn how the interactions between the dots work, which will make you better at Pee Wee much faster than just co-ordinating;
4) People get discouraged when they lose badly, especially if they lose badly often;
5) People who slum in lower leagues should realize the negative effect that they are having on those leagues.

Now show me where I've contridicted myself, because I'm a fucking law student and I certainly don't need any help with my writing.

So maybe you contradict logic in general, so be it...

I'm glad your a law student... what school?

Nice first sentence though, sure did make a whole lot of sense....

1-1 I suppose in the misguided opening sentences.

Maybe you didn't notice but my names iStoner not iGiveashitaboutwhetherornotwhatIsaymakessense, I fucking don't proofread what I type, when I said you contradict yourself I was actually referring to thoughts someone else had made and what you said... silly me not caring enough to go back and re-read misplaced the actual owner of some thoughts I for some reason thought you had relayed earlier.

If I proofread, or gave a shit at all about whether what I typed actually means a damn thing, or if it is even going to sound remotely like what I wanted it to, I'd probably be a lot less hated on this game... but I don't, and don't intend to start doing so.

Get all butt hurt though why don't you.

oooh, and a few more things.

I've been playing this game longer than you have so step off, just because I didn't get involved in lolpeewee before it was actually a fun part of the game (yah this shit was WHACK up until they really got things going) like you doesn't mean I wasn't here playing the game.

and, what you said is a total load of BS, I played this game for 10 seasons without ever being on any kind of predetermined or even remotely coordinated team and was a perfectly capable coordinator and player builder, coordinating is as simple as watching a few games and doing your best to copy...

Talent will increase by reducing the leagues because END OF STORY competition breeds champions, its been proven in life thousands and thousands of times... and what you said doesn't have an ounce of validity.

1) I think my comments still stand. When I use English, I mean the words I use in the context of how they are supposed to be used. I don't presume my audience is going to read my mind when the words I've used contridict the things I meant to say. Words are supposed to add meaning, not preclude it. Parol evidence rule: the thing you write is presumed to be what you meant.

2) When you try and tell someone they are wrong, it is helpful to point to a specific part and explain why you believe it to be in error. Quoting is especially helpful, like when I quoted you as saying "You contradict yourself there like 5 times TT..." and then I go on to prove that I never contridicted myself once. What you should have done is pointed to a specific part of what I said and then pointed to another part, and then explained why the two parts are in contridiction. Of course you then retracted because you said "when I said you contradict yourself I was actually referring to thoughts someone else had made and what you said..." When I contridict what someone else says, that is called 'disagreeing with them'. When I contridict what someone else thought, that is called 'you smoke too much, bro'.

3) Blanket statments are never persuasive. (see what I did there?)

4) You've played this game for a long time, but I'm not seeing a lot of Golden rings. What happened?

5) When I said, "iStoner used 'acted like he knew what's up'. It wasn't very effective," it is a meme that I believe is in reference to the Pokemon games where the said things like, "X used some attack, it was super effective!". What I am saying is that your opening line was a failure, especially given that I showed that I never contridicted myself.

6) Coming in here and showing up some failure is far more enjoyable than studying for my Contract Law or Charter Law finals.

You can't even read...

And woohoo I have a degree, whats it done for me lately, not a damn thing.

I said that I for some reason thought you had said something before, and was wrong...

God forbid I say something that is wrong :cries tears of a thousand angels in to a jar and later sprinkles them on cupcakes:

I smoke plenty, thanks for asking.

I'm not trying to persuade the point is your a fucking retard.

Reducing Silver leagues would no doubt increase the talent coming out of silver leagues, end of story.

Competition-> Aka NOT current silver leagues because half or over half of the teams are CPU->LEADS TO:
Desire to improve: AKA: MORE TALENT

end of story, simple concepts of human nature... when faced with REGULAR competition people won't dismiss the 10-2 season that they are almost promised by a single shred of decency as facing 2 great teams who should be in gold, and will face the 6-6 season they deserve to be having with WIDE OPEN EYES and then look onward beyond their own brain (which obviously failed them) to the FORUMS where people LEARN and get better.

Every person who I've ever known to be a great coordinator was at one time or another active in the forums... hmm see the link... yah its pretty simple.

5) When I said, "iStoner used 'acted like he knew what's up'. It wasn't very effective," it is a meme that I believe is in reference to the Pokemon games where the said things like, "X used some attack, it was super effective!". What I am saying is that your opening line was a failure, especially given that I showed that I never contridicted myself.


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