Originally posted by Sweet Daddy
Perception is reality.
No, perception is how an object is currently viewed. It is colored by ignorant fools that don't know, nor care about the history of silly things such as signs and symbols. I fault the education of our youth that they largely have no freakin clue about our history. I was lucky enough to have a history teacher in High school that managed to get through to even a hard headed bastard like myself. He managed to get me interested, and instead of just swallowing the spoonfeeding the media likes to do with everyone, I like to actually read history.
Originally posted by Sweet Daddy
The swastika was a symbol of luck and good fortune. It is no longer perceived as such.
I wasn't speaking about the swastika, and by internet rules of debate, the first person to refer to the nazis or anything related to them automatically looses any internet debate. I didn't make them up, sorry. Yes the swastika has become synonymous with Nazi Germany. It now stands for the atrocities commited by that regime, because it was adopted as a symbol by one of the worst organizations in that regime, the SS.
Originally posted by Sweet Daddy
The Stars and Bars was representative of a faction that may have fought for state's rights, may have fought for slavery under the auspices of fighting for state's rights. Doesn't really matter now, as it is no longer perceived as such.
Except that the southern flag was never adopted by anything even remotely as bad as the SS until the KKK decided to try to rally support in the south by wrapping themselves in that flag. You still seem to believe that the Civil war was a war over slavery. It wasn't. Go find yourself a real history book, and do some research. It is actually kind of interesting.
The North was in the midst of the industrial revolution, and the South had most of the raw materials needed. The problem was that England and France wanted to buy and sell their goods to america, and the northern factories coudln;t compete with their pricing. The Federal Government stepped in and forced tariffs to "encourage" the Southern states to sell to and buy from the Northern states.
South Carolina actually went so far as to declare Charleston a Tariff free zone, and when threatened by the Federal Government they declared their independence by firing on Fort Sumter.
The slavery issue was a sticky issue as the southern states needed a balance in non slave states and slave states so the Federal Government couldn't abolish slavery. They believed it a state issue, and not one to be decided by the government. Hell when Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation, he only freed those slaves in the south.
It really irritates me when schools today pin the civil war as the battle for and against slavery, as they are simplifying it and really removing the main reasons for the conflict.
Sorry..
Originally posted by Sweet Daddy
Go running around with stars and bars into a black bar and talk to them about how it's about state's rights and see how receptive people are.
Oddly, when I was younger, that wouldn't have bothered me in the least.
Originally posted by Paul Kemp
The guy explained himself. Drop it.
Originally posted by Sweet Daddy
a.) He did a pretty poor job, considering the explanation offered doesn't really play in the real world.
b.) You're not my commanding officer, you're not my mother, and you're not my wife. You're just another person on the other end of an internet message board. You've got no "rep" with me, nor credibility. Give me orders all you like, but you're a fool if you expect me to "drop it" because you feel you're in charge.
OK how about if I tell you to drop it. I am not saying that it is a smart thing to wear a swastika for luck, or run around in a black bar with a southern flag. I simply thought it might be interesting to point out that the rationale for hating the southern flag is misguided, and a product of a very poorly taught American History course.
No orders, no "rep" involved as I really couldn't care less who you are. You've proven by your statements that you would rather suck at the tit of a bad public education system than go look for yourself.
Originally posted by Sweet Daddy
By the by, you did nothing to rebut any assertion that I've made.
The only "assertion" you made was that there are alot of ignorant people out there that have no clue about history. I acvtualy agree with you in that.
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