personally I'm shocked that Dungy is spamming tester collusion and personal attack complaints
this is so unlike him....next he'll start going on about chemistry
this is so unlike him....next he'll start going on about chemistry
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Originally posted by Tony Dungy
I know you are pretty new to Drygerian also. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I'm just saying that the potential is certainly there for any tester to gather extra info.
Certain people have always been above the curve in terms of adding jumping to CBs and carrying to HBs and things like that. Either they were just really good (and perfectly timed) guesses at the time, or someone has extra info.
Even if the attributes for each player were easy to determine (they aren't - you have to fish through tons of crap), it would still be easy to bury a small test inside a large test. Without knowing what you were testing, then there would be no way to know. I don't see individual player settings listed anywhere. Are there any tests on the benefits of aggressive coverage vs semi-aggressive vs medium? Most teams struggle through most of the season trying to decide which is best each year. If I could run 4-5 test games on that up front, it would have helped greatly in the first half of the season. Not to mention that without having a test server, it is pretty hard to get all your DBs on the same page for a 1 game test of a setting.
For someone so certain people are testers how do you KNOW how the test server works?
I know you are pretty new to Drygerian also. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I'm just saying that the potential is certainly there for any tester to gather extra info.
Certain people have always been above the curve in terms of adding jumping to CBs and carrying to HBs and things like that. Either they were just really good (and perfectly timed) guesses at the time, or someone has extra info.
Even if the attributes for each player were easy to determine (they aren't - you have to fish through tons of crap), it would still be easy to bury a small test inside a large test. Without knowing what you were testing, then there would be no way to know. I don't see individual player settings listed anywhere. Are there any tests on the benefits of aggressive coverage vs semi-aggressive vs medium? Most teams struggle through most of the season trying to decide which is best each year. If I could run 4-5 test games on that up front, it would have helped greatly in the first half of the season. Not to mention that without having a test server, it is pretty hard to get all your DBs on the same page for a 1 game test of a setting.
For someone so certain people are testers how do you KNOW how the test server works?
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Originally posted by Lazer Noble
personally I'm shocked that Dungy is spamming tester collusion and personal attack complaints
this is so unlike him....next he'll start going on about chemistry
and then stalkers and then 15-1 and then about stomping halifax
personally I'm shocked that Dungy is spamming tester collusion and personal attack complaints
this is so unlike him....next he'll start going on about chemistry
and then stalkers and then 15-1 and then about stomping halifax
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Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
tpat knocked my SEAPL out of the playoffs with a great screen defense that he hadn't showed all season.
Your screen O sucked. Had I realized you were OC'ing Mekong, you wouldn't have made it out of round 1, but I was sleepwalking because Okinawa was through this season.
Tpat got raped by screens in the CCG, something like 9 for 170 yards, and everybody knew it was coming.
The point is that many many teams couldn't stop the screen (your Bonn defense for example got gashed against Krazy and your Okinawa team vs Mekong....... even though you knew screens were coming).
The difference is that tpat shut it down cold...and from what I could see, didn't run that defense all season. Magically, he just knew what to do though (likely from his test server experience).
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
tpat knocked my SEAPL out of the playoffs with a great screen defense that he hadn't showed all season.
Your screen O sucked. Had I realized you were OC'ing Mekong, you wouldn't have made it out of round 1, but I was sleepwalking because Okinawa was through this season.
Tpat got raped by screens in the CCG, something like 9 for 170 yards, and everybody knew it was coming.
The point is that many many teams couldn't stop the screen (your Bonn defense for example got gashed against Krazy and your Okinawa team vs Mekong....... even though you knew screens were coming).
The difference is that tpat shut it down cold...and from what I could see, didn't run that defense all season. Magically, he just knew what to do though (likely from his test server experience).
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Originally posted by Tony Dungy
Are you saying that gart doesn't help people with builds?
in the 5 seasons my SS has been with the team, Gart once told me to put some leftover SP's into swat ball. obviously, he wouldn't have known to do this w/out his insider info.
Are you saying that gart doesn't help people with builds?
in the 5 seasons my SS has been with the team, Gart once told me to put some leftover SP's into swat ball. obviously, he wouldn't have known to do this w/out his insider info.
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Originally posted by Tony Dungy
The point is that many many teams couldn't stop the screen (your Bonn defense for example got gashed against Krazy and your Okinawa team vs Mekong....... even though you knew screens were coming).
The difference is that tpat shut it down cold...and from what I could see, didn't run that defense all season. Magically, he just knew what to do though (likely from his test server experience).
it's called people talk to each other.
I'm sure you are very uncapable of being social without violating someone
The point is that many many teams couldn't stop the screen (your Bonn defense for example got gashed against Krazy and your Okinawa team vs Mekong....... even though you knew screens were coming).
The difference is that tpat shut it down cold...and from what I could see, didn't run that defense all season. Magically, he just knew what to do though (likely from his test server experience).
it's called people talk to each other.
I'm sure you are very uncapable of being social without violating someone
Edited by Feudel on Sep 24, 2009 12:25:20
Edited by Feudel on Sep 24, 2009 12:24:44
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Originally posted by Feudel
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
I know you are pretty new to Drygerian also. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I'm just saying that the potential is certainly there for any tester to gather extra info.
Certain people have always been above the curve in terms of adding jumping to CBs and carrying to HBs and things like that. Either they were just really good (and perfectly timed) guesses at the time, or someone has extra info.
Even if the attributes for each player were easy to determine (they aren't - you have to fish through tons of crap), it would still be easy to bury a small test inside a large test. Without knowing what you were testing, then there would be no way to know. I don't see individual player settings listed anywhere. Are there any tests on the benefits of aggressive coverage vs semi-aggressive vs medium? Most teams struggle through most of the season trying to decide which is best each year. If I could run 4-5 test games on that up front, it would have helped greatly in the first half of the season. Not to mention that without having a test server, it is pretty hard to get all your DBs on the same page for a 1 game test of a setting.
For someone so certain people are testers how do you KNOW how the test server works?
No one knows who the testers were or how the system works exactly except the testers and admins. The rest of us are just supposed to believe that they have the best interest of the game at heart and aren't using it to help their teams win even though it is EASILY exploitable. Bort is so damn busy with working on the sim that I doubt he has time to review every player that Deathblade makes to make sure that he isn't testing something else while testing screen passes.
Even if he is just testing screen passes, how HUGE is that?!?!
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
I know you are pretty new to Drygerian also. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I'm just saying that the potential is certainly there for any tester to gather extra info.
Certain people have always been above the curve in terms of adding jumping to CBs and carrying to HBs and things like that. Either they were just really good (and perfectly timed) guesses at the time, or someone has extra info.
Even if the attributes for each player were easy to determine (they aren't - you have to fish through tons of crap), it would still be easy to bury a small test inside a large test. Without knowing what you were testing, then there would be no way to know. I don't see individual player settings listed anywhere. Are there any tests on the benefits of aggressive coverage vs semi-aggressive vs medium? Most teams struggle through most of the season trying to decide which is best each year. If I could run 4-5 test games on that up front, it would have helped greatly in the first half of the season. Not to mention that without having a test server, it is pretty hard to get all your DBs on the same page for a 1 game test of a setting.
For someone so certain people are testers how do you KNOW how the test server works?
No one knows who the testers were or how the system works exactly except the testers and admins. The rest of us are just supposed to believe that they have the best interest of the game at heart and aren't using it to help their teams win even though it is EASILY exploitable. Bort is so damn busy with working on the sim that I doubt he has time to review every player that Deathblade makes to make sure that he isn't testing something else while testing screen passes.
Even if he is just testing screen passes, how HUGE is that?!?!
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Originally posted by Tony Dungy
No one knows who the testers were or how the system works exactly except the testers and admins. The rest of us are just supposed to believe that they have the best interest of the game at heart and aren't using it to help their teams win even though it is EASILY exploitable. Bort is so damn busy with working on the sim that I doubt he has time to review every player that Deathblade makes to make sure that he isn't testing something else while testing screen passes.
Even if he is just testing screen passes, how HUGE is that?!?!
you are grasping straws and failing
go back to the drawing board you've gone too far.
No one knows who the testers were or how the system works exactly except the testers and admins. The rest of us are just supposed to believe that they have the best interest of the game at heart and aren't using it to help their teams win even though it is EASILY exploitable. Bort is so damn busy with working on the sim that I doubt he has time to review every player that Deathblade makes to make sure that he isn't testing something else while testing screen passes.
Even if he is just testing screen passes, how HUGE is that?!?!
you are grasping straws and failing
go back to the drawing board you've gone too far.
Edited by Feudel on Sep 24, 2009 12:26:19
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Originally posted by Tony Dungy
Originally posted by blankspace
Truthfully, no. I haven't learned anything super secret. I only tested a few games with Basic AI. If I do see something, I post it here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread_list.pl?forum_id=3734
Two threads and multiple post made by me about updates. Go to the game list and see that I only simmed about 4-5 games testing two things. 3-4 games about the new pass block code which was very buggy when it came out, and 1 game was to see if DE's on flat zones will go after QBs if they scramble out of the pocket.
If you don't believe me, check it. Should all be on the first page and nothing super secret about it. You can see the players builds if I remember correctly. So see which DT's get the most sacks.
I know you are pretty new to Drygerian also. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I'm just saying that the potential is certainly there for any tester to gather extra info.
Certain people have always been above the curve in terms of adding jumping to CBs and carrying to HBs and things like that. Either they were just really good (and perfectly timed) guesses at the time, or someone has extra info.
Even if the attributes for each player were easy to determine (they aren't - you have to fish through tons of crap), it would still be easy to bury a small test inside a large test. Without knowing what you were testing, then there would be no way to know. I don't see individual player settings listed anywhere. Are there any tests on the benefits of aggressive coverage vs semi-aggressive vs medium? Most teams struggle through most of the season trying to decide which is best each year. If I could run 4-5 test games on that up front, it would have helped greatly in the first half of the season. Not to mention that without having a test server, it is pretty hard to get all your DBs on the same page for a 1 game test of a setting.
You mean like 4-5 scrimmages at the beginning of a season? Oh wait, we can already get 6 of those for free...
Edit: This was not a rhetorical question for sake for clarity...
Originally posted by blankspace
Truthfully, no. I haven't learned anything super secret. I only tested a few games with Basic AI. If I do see something, I post it here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread_list.pl?forum_id=3734
Two threads and multiple post made by me about updates. Go to the game list and see that I only simmed about 4-5 games testing two things. 3-4 games about the new pass block code which was very buggy when it came out, and 1 game was to see if DE's on flat zones will go after QBs if they scramble out of the pocket.
If you don't believe me, check it. Should all be on the first page and nothing super secret about it. You can see the players builds if I remember correctly. So see which DT's get the most sacks.
I know you are pretty new to Drygerian also. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I'm just saying that the potential is certainly there for any tester to gather extra info.
Certain people have always been above the curve in terms of adding jumping to CBs and carrying to HBs and things like that. Either they were just really good (and perfectly timed) guesses at the time, or someone has extra info.
Even if the attributes for each player were easy to determine (they aren't - you have to fish through tons of crap), it would still be easy to bury a small test inside a large test. Without knowing what you were testing, then there would be no way to know. I don't see individual player settings listed anywhere. Are there any tests on the benefits of aggressive coverage vs semi-aggressive vs medium? Most teams struggle through most of the season trying to decide which is best each year. If I could run 4-5 test games on that up front, it would have helped greatly in the first half of the season. Not to mention that without having a test server, it is pretty hard to get all your DBs on the same page for a 1 game test of a setting.
You mean like 4-5 scrimmages at the beginning of a season? Oh wait, we can already get 6 of those for free...
Edit: This was not a rhetorical question for sake for clarity...
Edited by silenthatred on Sep 24, 2009 12:27:01
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Originally posted by Lazer Noble
personally I'm shocked that Dungy is spamming tester collusion and personal attack complaints
this is so unlike him....next he'll start going on about chemistry
Yup, we're back to this.
personally I'm shocked that Dungy is spamming tester collusion and personal attack complaints
this is so unlike him....next he'll start going on about chemistry
Yup, we're back to this.
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Didn't you guys know it is impossible to change your AI based off the 23 games you can play in a season? Once you set it in the preseason, you're stuck with it.
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Does anyone else see how psychologically sad it is for SI to assume that just because he can't do something that no one else can do it?
I bet everyone who has ever beat you in everything is cheating right John?
I bet everyone who has ever beat you in everything is cheating right John?
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Originally posted by itsme4
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
Are you saying that gart doesn't help people with builds?
in the 5 seasons my SS has been with the team, Gart once told me to put some leftover SP's into swat ball. obviously, he wouldn't have known to do this w/out his insider info.
SS isn't a key position and they are almost made the same. You also have Asheme on the team who knows how to build a very good SS. His build was open.
The key position in the game the last few seasons has been HB. That is where a secret or 2 could change a player from an average HB to one that is nearly impossible to tackle. There are some other key positions like DE, CB where settings and equipment placement is critical. SS isn't a critical position.
Obviously, if the testers were smart, they wouldn't broadcast the info, but keep it to as few people as possible.
Plus, I would bet my bottom dollar that no one on Drygerian would tell us if gart told them inside info and then it worked perfectly. In fact, I would expect those people to say gart/deathblade didn't tell them anything
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
Are you saying that gart doesn't help people with builds?
in the 5 seasons my SS has been with the team, Gart once told me to put some leftover SP's into swat ball. obviously, he wouldn't have known to do this w/out his insider info.
SS isn't a key position and they are almost made the same. You also have Asheme on the team who knows how to build a very good SS. His build was open.
The key position in the game the last few seasons has been HB. That is where a secret or 2 could change a player from an average HB to one that is nearly impossible to tackle. There are some other key positions like DE, CB where settings and equipment placement is critical. SS isn't a critical position.
Obviously, if the testers were smart, they wouldn't broadcast the info, but keep it to as few people as possible.
Plus, I would bet my bottom dollar that no one on Drygerian would tell us if gart told them inside info and then it worked perfectly. In fact, I would expect those people to say gart/deathblade didn't tell them anything
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Originally posted by drazz00
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
Don't worry, gart has been using the tester info all along. Are you saying that gart doesn't help people with builds?
Do you run the AI? I'm sure there are some tester tricks in there also.
And no, Bort has never played the game competitively. His players were jokes on purpose.
Deathblade plays competitively (just won WL).
tpat knocked my SEAPL out of the playoffs with a great screen defense that he hadn't showed all season.
Who knows who all the testers were in the past and how their teams did? The full list has never been released.
If being a tester is no big advantage, please let me be a tester for about a week each preseason, so I can test a bunch of stuff out.
OK, so I'm stil trying to figure out how this tester--DryHo thing works. But let's start with the my favorite point: you know that Bort's players are jokes how? Cause you have a direct line to Bort? Test/insider info? Just asking, cause I have, you know, actually played with Bort's players on a team.
How does Gart have insider tester info he's "been using all along?" I mean, anyone can look at the tester iinfo.
Of the people listed, tpat is the only tester. And has no connection to DryHo imo. I suppose, just being a lolGM means I could be wrong, but I doubt it here.
Why would we need Gart's advise for our builds? See, I think DryHo (and other teams for that matter) are successful not when 1 agent/GM/owner is giving out the info, but rather when the agents are already in the know. I mean, there are plenty of agents with shiny cups from outside CPL/WL on Drygerian--think maybe they know what they are doing?
If you can't beat em, call em cheaters...it's SI logic!
Originally posted by Tony Dungy
Don't worry, gart has been using the tester info all along. Are you saying that gart doesn't help people with builds?
Do you run the AI? I'm sure there are some tester tricks in there also.
And no, Bort has never played the game competitively. His players were jokes on purpose.
Deathblade plays competitively (just won WL).
tpat knocked my SEAPL out of the playoffs with a great screen defense that he hadn't showed all season.
Who knows who all the testers were in the past and how their teams did? The full list has never been released.
If being a tester is no big advantage, please let me be a tester for about a week each preseason, so I can test a bunch of stuff out.
OK, so I'm stil trying to figure out how this tester--DryHo thing works. But let's start with the my favorite point: you know that Bort's players are jokes how? Cause you have a direct line to Bort? Test/insider info? Just asking, cause I have, you know, actually played with Bort's players on a team.
How does Gart have insider tester info he's "been using all along?" I mean, anyone can look at the tester iinfo.
Of the people listed, tpat is the only tester. And has no connection to DryHo imo. I suppose, just being a lolGM means I could be wrong, but I doubt it here.
Why would we need Gart's advise for our builds? See, I think DryHo (and other teams for that matter) are successful not when 1 agent/GM/owner is giving out the info, but rather when the agents are already in the know. I mean, there are plenty of agents with shiny cups from outside CPL/WL on Drygerian--think maybe they know what they are doing?
If you can't beat em, call em cheaters...it's SI logic!
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Originally posted by silenthatred
If you can't beat em, call em cheaters...it's SI logic!
You're way better at posting than SI... CHEATER
If you can't beat em, call em cheaters...it's SI logic!
You're way better at posting than SI... CHEATER
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