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rogerdyates
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Originally posted by BIGheadSimmons
I do mildly agree with skuzoid...But even if you say GG, he will still feels belittled if you state a reason. (As you can see below) But you guys did say that had you made the adjustment to change it to the strong side you would have ran ALL day! That is where I agree w/ skuz. Don't think that one adjustment would have won the game! Nonetheless, we will see you all in EEAA next year and it can settled once again where it should be...on the gridiron not the forums!!! Skuzoid I hope you don't own an AK....

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1883765

Originally posted by BIGheadSimmons

yeah...for some STRANGE reason my deviate from strategy was set at 100!!! I am not too sure but I know I wouldnt have passed 50 something times! Especially when I was averaging 5 yards a carry! I am not taking ANYTHING away from you guys, GREAT game! Just think if it were not for that glitch the game probably would have been closer!!! CONGRATS Seamen!!!!


http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1945730&page=4

Originally posted by skuzoid

Originally posted by Morphius


Originally posted by BIGheadSimmons



First off...I am PRETTY sure that if my deviate strategy wasn't mysteriously changed to 100% that I would have kept that game ALOT closer than it ended up being!


No offense, but I hate when people make excuses. Just take your loss and let your game do your talking for you the next time we meet.





i call bullshit


Good point, I have totally screwed up an AI and it cost us a game, I never went on the forum and stated "the only reason you won was because......"

I just note to myself ...well next time we can get them, they will be shocked.
 
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Originally posted by rogerdyates
Good point, I have totally screwed up an AI and it cost us a game, I never went on the forum and stated "the only reason you won was because......"

I just note to myself ...well next time we can get them, they will be shocked.


Yeah, I remember those days. I hated keeping my mouth shut, but I did.

Originally posted by ress5609
we made a mistake in our AI. Whether it would have made a difference or not is pretty much irrelevant. coulda, woulda, shoulda. I don't consider saying we made a mistake as making your win any less awesome. You guys game planned us better than any other team has the whole season and you have the talent to back it up. If you don't like what EVL said, too bad. Infer what you want from it, it really doesn't matter.


I used to own a team in the USA with Rogerdyates and skeetersmif as my main 2 GMs. So they can vouch for what I am about to say. I can't even count the number of games that we lost because we screwed up the AI. One of them was a huge game to one of our biggest rivals and it was a major mess-up. I mean, we were kicking 80 yd FGs. Yet still, the other team claimed their win and we kept our mouth shut. Its just the classy thing to do.

I'm not saying your GM was wrong for posting his thoughts on why you lost. Its just, when those thoughts are "we didn't do this, if we had done this, we would have done waaaaaaay better". Anyone can say that, thats a given. Any forum/league you go to, you will find a controversy if someone pulls that stuff. And it always results in the same argument. So why not stave off the argument in advance by leaving the controversial part out? All you accomplish by mentioning it is stirring up some drama, getting yourself involved in an argument, and probably end up making an ass of yourself to the more mature owners/teams in the league that originally had some respect for you. That, and the fact that the next time you meet the other team is gonna plan twice as hard for you. Now that they know you messed up the first time.

 
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Originally posted by rogerdyates
Originally posted by BIGheadSimmons

I do mildly agree with skuzoid...But even if you say GG, he will still feels belittled if you state a reason. (As you can see below) But you guys did say that had you made the adjustment to change it to the strong side you would have ran ALL day! That is where I agree w/ skuz. Don't think that one adjustment would have won the game! Nonetheless, we will see you all in EEAA next year and it can settled once again where it should be...on the gridiron not the forums!!! Skuzoid I hope you don't own an AK....

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1883765

Originally posted by BIGheadSimmons


yeah...for some STRANGE reason my deviate from strategy was set at 100!!! I am not too sure but I know I wouldnt have passed 50 something times! Especially when I was averaging 5 yards a carry! I am not taking ANYTHING away from you guys, GREAT game! Just think if it were not for that glitch the game probably would have been closer!!! CONGRATS Seamen!!!!


http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1945730&page=4

Originally posted by skuzoid


Originally posted by Morphius



Originally posted by BIGheadSimmons




First off...I am PRETTY sure that if my deviate strategy wasn't mysteriously changed to 100% that I would have kept that game ALOT closer than it ended up being!


No offense, but I hate when people make excuses. Just take your loss and let your game do your talking for you the next time we meet.





i call bullshit


Good point, I have totally screwed up an AI and it cost us a game, I never went on the forum and stated "the only reason you won was because......"

I just note to myself ...well next time we can get them, they will be shocked.


Where did I say "he only reason you won was because..." or any derivative form? I said we would have done much better or that it would have been much different...


Wow, all this because either people were waiting for an opportunity to be classless winners and wanted some e-go, or people just wanted their daily dose of drama. I merely wanted to talk tactics with the guy who obviously planned against us. I usually don't comment at all about a game just because I'm the Belichek of GLB. But I don't have much problem talking about the championship game openly because we're moving on and there are no more games for this season.
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Morphius
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Originally posted by DR_EVL
Wow, all this because either people were waiting for an opportunity to be classless winners and wanted some e-go, or people just wanted their daily dose of drama. I merely wanted to talk tactics with the guy who obviously planned for us. I usually don't comment at all about a game just because I'm the Belichek of GLB. But I don't have much problem talking about the championship game openly because we're moving on and there are no more games for this season.


Read my post above EVL. Its not meant to be taken as aggressive or demeaning or anything. I think you will understand where I'm coming from. Coordinator to Coordinator.
 
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Originally posted by Morphius
more mature owners/teams in the league that originally had some respect for you.



lol... sounds like these owners/gms were looking for either "GG I love you guys" or anything remotely they could respond to with a moral high ground.
 
DR_EVL
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Originally posted by Morphius
Originally posted by DR_EVL

Wow, all this because either people were waiting for an opportunity to be classless winners and wanted some e-go, or people just wanted their daily dose of drama. I merely wanted to talk tactics with the guy who obviously planned for us. I usually don't comment at all about a game just because I'm the Belichek of GLB. But I don't have much problem talking about the championship game openly because we're moving on and there are no more games for this season.


Read my post above EVL. Its not meant to be taken as aggressive or demeaning or anything. I think you will understand where I'm coming from. Coordinator to Coordinator.


surely you could look back on my post and see I was talking tactics with you. I said things might have been different, I didn't say anywhere we would have beaten you I had not made the mistake.
 
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Originally posted by DR_EVL
surely you could look back on my post and see I was talking tactics with you. I said things might have been different, I didn't say anywhere we would have beaten you I had not made the mistake.


In all honesty, I couldn't. This is why: Originally posted by DR_EVL
lol... you did well. One of the things I was going to say here was that It was a my mistake in that I hadn't changed the directional settings for the I form. I had intended to run mostly to the right. Good for you to plan for the Iform left, but if I had changed those settings the way I planned, that defense would have given up a ton of yardage to us. So I on one hand will say great catch, and on the other hand I will say you were lucky in that we intended on drastically reducing the run plays in I form to the left.


I never once said that you stated you would have beaten us had you not messed up your AI. However I did state that you mentioned you would have done way better, or that my defense "would have given up a ton of yardage".
 
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Originally posted by Morphius


I never once said that you stated you would have beaten us had you not messed up your AI. However I did state that you mentioned you would have done way better, or that my defense "would have given up a ton of yardage".


I was not being "shoulda coulda"
Take this play for example:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15418555

If you sold out as you said you did, and if we ran mostly to the right, we would have gotten 5 yards per play. The RG would have picked up your LOLB, our FB would have picked up either you other LB or your SS, and the HB would have made 5. Why do I believe this?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15420770
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15420383
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15421005
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15421363
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15421774
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15423926


there were 2 instances where we got less than 4 yards going I form right side.

the rest were I form rush left where we got about 1 y/c.

I know what I'm talking about.
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pink_panther
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Originally posted by skuzoid
omg i just figured it out, your a raiders fan.



EVL is Falcons and ress is Seahawks. Close though.
 
bigduhe
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Originally posted by pink_panther
Originally posted by skuzoid

omg i just figured it out, your a raiders fan.



EVL is Falcons and ress is Seahawks. Close though.


ress, are you from Seattle? i'm thinking about making the trip up there for the LSU-UW game later this year
 
Morphius
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Originally posted by DR_EVL
Originally posted by Morphius



I never once said that you stated you would have beaten us had you not messed up your AI. However I did state that you mentioned you would have done way better, or that my defense "would have given up a ton of yardage".


I was not being "shoulda coulda"
Take this play for example:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15418555

If you sold out as you said you did, and if we ran mostly to the right, we would have gotten 5 yards per play. The RG would have picked up your LOLB, our FB would have picked up either you other LB or your SS, and the HB would have made 5. Why do I believe this?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15420770
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15420383
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15421005
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15421363
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15421774
try this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=372252&pbp_id=15423926


there were 2 instances where we got less than 4 yards going I form right side.

the rest were I form rush left where we got about 1 y/c.

I know what I'm talking about.


You're missing the point. I never said you didn't know what you were talking about. Nor did I claim that if you ran strong side It was a guarantee that I would have stopped you. I was trying to help you save some face now and in the future. But you obviously aren't the type to understand that sort of thing. So I will leave with a GG and hope you get your rematch next season.
 
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Originally posted by bigduhe
Originally posted by pink_panther

Originally posted by skuzoid


omg i just figured it out, your a raiders fan.



EVL is Falcons and ress is Seahawks. Close though.


ress, are you from Seattle? i'm thinking about making the trip up there for the LSU-UW game later this year


Are you a Huskies fan?
 
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Originally posted by Morphius

Nor did I claim that if you ran strong side It was a guarantee that I would have stopped you.

Actually you did.

Originally posted by

I was trying to help you save some face now and in the future. But you obviously aren't the type to understand that sort of thing. So I will leave with a GG and hope you get your rematch next season.
whatever makes you sleep better at night.

 
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dragons... you did well. One of the things I was going to say here was that It was rogerdyates mistake in that he hadn't changed the right ai. But if he changed those settings the way we planned, that defense would have given up a ton more yardage to us. So I on one hand will say gg, and on the other hand I will say you were lucky in that we intended on run the score up on you but didnt because he forgot to.

dragons... i would wish you good luck next time but thats not what you need. rather i wish you less unconscious incompetence

Morphius he doesnt get any of this. the only thing he understands is his team played their biggest game in several season and he let them all down. he freely admits the loss is all his fault and wouldnt have happened if he wasnt the OC. He usually doesn't comment at all about a game just because he is the Matt Millen of GLB.
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meh screw it, we move up, you dont....

see you next season and drop this.
 
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