Wow, not so much love for Denver huh? 
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Originally posted by blinkbabe909
Wow, not so much love for Denver huh?
Well if he has 10 votes then he has 10 more votes than anybody I own or coach. I wouldn't say that he's getting "no love."
Wow, not so much love for Denver huh?
Well if he has 10 votes then he has 10 more votes than anybody I own or coach. I wouldn't say that he's getting "no love."
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Here is a good comparison of the 2 and shows why both were the most dominant defensive players in the league as a whole. You are really splitting hairs in a comparison IMO. Personally, since it is 'easier to gameplan around Denver' I'd give him the nod this season but you can't go wrong either way.
Denver - 152 tackles, 56 sacks, 34 TFLs. 60% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Avalanche - 72 tackles, 23 sacks, 29 TFLs. 72% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Those numbers just got skewed yesterday when WSI played the Burning Pride and he had 11 tackles, 2 sacks, 9 TFLs in a blowout against a gutted team. WSI has had 3 regular season games where they won by more than 150 points against outclassed opponents, a luxury that BDC hasn't had in Zeta.
Oh, and if you think Avalanche is good, you haven't seen his other DT Dan Dakota. I think he's even better.
Denver - 152 tackles, 56 sacks, 34 TFLs. 60% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Avalanche - 72 tackles, 23 sacks, 29 TFLs. 72% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Those numbers just got skewed yesterday when WSI played the Burning Pride and he had 11 tackles, 2 sacks, 9 TFLs in a blowout against a gutted team. WSI has had 3 regular season games where they won by more than 150 points against outclassed opponents, a luxury that BDC hasn't had in Zeta.
Oh, and if you think Avalanche is good, you haven't seen his other DT Dan Dakota. I think he's even better.
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Originally posted by jdros13
Here is a good comparison of the 2 and shows why both were the most dominant defensive players in the league as a whole. You are really splitting hairs in a comparison IMO. Personally, since it is 'easier to gameplan around Denver' I'd give him the nod this season but you can't go wrong either way.
Denver - 152 tackles, 56 sacks, 34 TFLs. 60% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Avalanche - 72 tackles, 23 sacks, 29 TFLs. 72% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Those numbers just got skewed yesterday when WSI played the Burning Pride and he had 11 tackles, 2 sacks, 9 TFLs in a blowout against a gutted team. WSI has had 3 regular season games where they won by more than 150 points against outclassed opponents, a luxury that BDC hasn't had in Zeta.
Oh, and if you think Avalanche is good, you haven't seen his other DT Dan Dakota. I think he's even better.
Yeah, Run Hard is one of the best agents in the game.
Denver is an incredible DT.
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
Here is a good comparison of the 2 and shows why both were the most dominant defensive players in the league as a whole. You are really splitting hairs in a comparison IMO. Personally, since it is 'easier to gameplan around Denver' I'd give him the nod this season but you can't go wrong either way.
Denver - 152 tackles, 56 sacks, 34 TFLs. 60% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Avalanche - 72 tackles, 23 sacks, 29 TFLs. 72% of his tackles were behind the LOS
Those numbers just got skewed yesterday when WSI played the Burning Pride and he had 11 tackles, 2 sacks, 9 TFLs in a blowout against a gutted team. WSI has had 3 regular season games where they won by more than 150 points against outclassed opponents, a luxury that BDC hasn't had in Zeta.
Oh, and if you think Avalanche is good, you haven't seen his other DT Dan Dakota. I think he's even better.
Yeah, Run Hard is one of the best agents in the game.
Denver is an incredible DT.
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
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Originally posted by nautilus
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
Avalanche only had 29.9 plays per game this season compared to Denver's 62.7. It's a little bit of a stretch (because there are other things involved of course) but all things being equal Avalanche's stats would be 151 tackles, 48 sacks, 61 TFLs, and 136 hurries if he had gotten as many play's as Denver did this season. The defense just wasn't on the field for very long in most games.
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
Avalanche only had 29.9 plays per game this season compared to Denver's 62.7. It's a little bit of a stretch (because there are other things involved of course) but all things being equal Avalanche's stats would be 151 tackles, 48 sacks, 61 TFLs, and 136 hurries if he had gotten as many play's as Denver did this season. The defense just wasn't on the field for very long in most games.
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Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
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Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
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Originally posted by SCACE
I hope you realize I'm not saying Parr had a bad season -- he had an amazing season. It is unfortunate, in my books, that so much of his production came vs. gutted teams, at least one of the games that looks like an obvious attempt to inflate stats.
When we're talking about top players in a league, we're going to be splitting hairs a lot of the time and everyone will have their own opinion and can make a case for numerous players. Noone is wrong, its just opinion.
Yeah, 1,300 of his 2,800 yards came from 2 games. Hard to argue with you on that.
I hope you realize I'm not saying Parr had a bad season -- he had an amazing season. It is unfortunate, in my books, that so much of his production came vs. gutted teams, at least one of the games that looks like an obvious attempt to inflate stats.
When we're talking about top players in a league, we're going to be splitting hairs a lot of the time and everyone will have their own opinion and can make a case for numerous players. Noone is wrong, its just opinion.
Yeah, 1,300 of his 2,800 yards came from 2 games. Hard to argue with you on that.
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Originally posted by Carpy
Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
HARDEE HAR HAR.
Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
HARDEE HAR HAR.
Carpy
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Originally posted by under_miner
Originally posted by Carpy
Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
HARDEE HAR HAR.
I wasn't joking......
Originally posted by Carpy
Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
HARDEE HAR HAR.
I wasn't joking......
under_miner
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Originally posted by Carpy
Originally posted by under_miner
Originally posted by Carpy
Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
HARDEE HAR HAR.
I wasn't joking......
I know. Judging by the offers I've already received, I won't have to advertise his services.
There will be stiff competition for him.
Originally posted by under_miner
Originally posted by Carpy
Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Now that Wagga are folding, if you are willing to join the Crushers next season, I'll happily vote for you!!!
HARDEE HAR HAR.
I wasn't joking......
I know. Judging by the offers I've already received, I won't have to advertise his services.
There will be stiff competition for him.
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Originally posted by Danthesportsman
Originally posted by nautilus
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
Avalanche only had 29.9 plays per game this season compared to Denver's 62.7. It's a little bit of a stretch (because there are other things involved of course) but all things being equal Avalanche's stats would be 151 tackles, 48 sacks, 61 TFLs, and 136 hurries if he had gotten as many play's as Denver did this season. The defense just wasn't on the field for very long in most games.
I'd have to disagree with this logic. If you look through the games, Avalanche was routinely in the game for less plays than his defensive counterparts. Either this was a tactical move to keep him fresh throughout the game, or he just tires quickly.
Of course, I'm biased, so don't listen to me.
Originally posted by nautilus
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
Avalanche only had 29.9 plays per game this season compared to Denver's 62.7. It's a little bit of a stretch (because there are other things involved of course) but all things being equal Avalanche's stats would be 151 tackles, 48 sacks, 61 TFLs, and 136 hurries if he had gotten as many play's as Denver did this season. The defense just wasn't on the field for very long in most games.
I'd have to disagree with this logic. If you look through the games, Avalanche was routinely in the game for less plays than his defensive counterparts. Either this was a tactical move to keep him fresh throughout the game, or he just tires quickly.
Of course, I'm biased, so don't listen to me.
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Originally posted by PatricktheDookie
Originally posted by Danthesportsman
Originally posted by nautilus
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
Avalanche only had 29.9 plays per game this season compared to Denver's 62.7. It's a little bit of a stretch (because there are other things involved of course) but all things being equal Avalanche's stats would be 151 tackles, 48 sacks, 61 TFLs, and 136 hurries if he had gotten as many play's as Denver did this season. The defense just wasn't on the field for very long in most games.
I'd have to disagree with this logic. If you look through the games, Avalanche was routinely in the game for less plays than his defensive counterparts. Either this was a tactical move to keep him fresh throughout the game, or he just tires quickly.
Of course, I'm biased, so don't listen to me.
Avalanche is good with stamina always finishes in high 80s or 90s. If you look at our games, it has everything to do with our d getting off the field quickly.
Originally posted by Danthesportsman
Originally posted by nautilus
When I endorse Avalanche for MVP, I look at our d being 1 in every category and and his role in that. Also considered his limited time on the field because of so many 3 and outs this season.
Avalanche only had 29.9 plays per game this season compared to Denver's 62.7. It's a little bit of a stretch (because there are other things involved of course) but all things being equal Avalanche's stats would be 151 tackles, 48 sacks, 61 TFLs, and 136 hurries if he had gotten as many play's as Denver did this season. The defense just wasn't on the field for very long in most games.
I'd have to disagree with this logic. If you look through the games, Avalanche was routinely in the game for less plays than his defensive counterparts. Either this was a tactical move to keep him fresh throughout the game, or he just tires quickly.
Of course, I'm biased, so don't listen to me.
Avalanche is good with stamina always finishes in high 80s or 90s. If you look at our games, it has everything to do with our d getting off the field quickly.
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Originally posted by nautilus
If you look at our games, it has everything to do with the Scranton owner having a compulsive need to sign 5 million players each offseason.
Corrected your post
If you look at our games, it has everything to do with the Scranton owner having a compulsive need to sign 5 million players each offseason.
Corrected your post
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Originally posted by under_miner
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Everything to do with the team unfortunately -- they aren't competing for a playoff spot. He was on my list, but this season, with the other two WR's fighting for playoff spots and having similar solid stat lines, I had to lean towards them.
Interesting that my receiver, Defrance is getting no love at all.
If you look at game logs, Parr and Sneeze have only 5 games with 200 or more receiving yards between the 2 of them. While DeFrance has 7 games with 200 or more receiving yards...more than both Parr and Sneeze combined. Why is he getting forgotten?
Everything to do with the team unfortunately -- they aren't competing for a playoff spot. He was on my list, but this season, with the other two WR's fighting for playoff spots and having similar solid stat lines, I had to lean towards them.
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