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Originally posted by MattMan Firespot
Originally posted by mpowell

Well, let me say that it definitely seems like upsets are a little more common in the playoffs. And I think my explanation for that might be that morale is a bigger issue for whatever reason. So if an underdog gets a little lucky and has a good drive, they can extend that momentum more easily in the playoffs. I have seen many playoff games where teams suddenly performed very well or very poorly in an area where they had been consistent all season.

Thats what I said to Ops yesterday, I believe the morale effects are magnified, watch our game against DV, it is a very plausible explanation:

They hit a couple big plays early, and it took us until the 4th quarter to build our morale back up. Then we score 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, while holding them to only 3 points...We ran out of time.

I definately believe the morale penalty/rewards are magnified, but thats what I don't understand. Why wouldn't Bort tell the players about such things when there is really no reason to hide it? Its not exploitable, and if its common knowledge, there are no advantages.

There are many things about the way GLB works in which I feel are kept 'secret' when the players have every right to know. Not code or equations, but how different things are applied to the sim.

I couldn't tell you why Bort likes to keep things secret as I don't know him personally. It's annoying, but it is also undisputably the case. What's even worse is that he occasionally gives out extra information on random threads, which gives an advantage to the people that happened to be reading that thread. There is another problem, though, where Bort doesn't always fully understand what the sim is doing himself. Sure, he knows all the equations, but that doesn't mean he understands all the effects. So you get situations where people notice much different results and Bort can't really tell you if it's b/c people's builds are evolving or if it's due to some 'minor' change to an AI that he's made recently.

I think the build is more important than people are thinking. There are a lot of terrible builds out there and teams with loads of crappy players. That's why A6 teams do so well in these multi league tournaments. But once you get a league like A6 with a number of teams with pretty good builds (even if they're not quite optimal), it starts to come down to game planning and then luck.

Originally posted by MattMan Firespot
Originally posted by austin8214

Originally posted by opspearhead


After playing this game for 3+ seasons now I consider winning out in the playoffs to be very similar to winning the World Series of Poker Main Event. You have to be good, and most importantly, you have to get lucky. I don't care how good a team is...if you don't get lucky then don't expect to move up. I've heard of quite a few undefeated/1-loss teams in other leagues that were knocked out by a #8 seed and the amount of very good teams getting upset is a little alarming to me. So I figure it has gotten to the point where its 60% luck, 30% gameplanning, and 10% team player builds.

Still, whoever wins it all deserves it. I don't think a lower seed will win it since their luck will run out. It will be a top team that takes it in the West.

Edit: Oh and good luck to the remaining teams. I think this is the season a West team wins the league championship.

There are a number of reasons that #1 seeds get upset by #8 seeds. The biggest reason is I think teams spend way more time game planning. Another reason is they are underdogs in their own eyes so they try things that may have seemed outrageous in the regular season. Basically the equivalent of going “ALL IN” with Ace King before you see the flop.

On the flip side I think a lot of #1 seeds take things for granted some and may not plan and scout as hard. At the stage we are in this game now most of the teams that have level 30+ players are on a level playing field so the game plan is huge.



Good points except for the game-planning part, you cant really say if a team spends time game-planning or doesn't take another seriously, cuz you have no idea whats going on behind closed doors. Ive always said the playoffs in GLB are a crap shoot at best, you can put the right game-plan down, but really, its up to the sim and however the equations work out...Its ll based on %'s which in definition, would be luck.

Winning in the playoffs is no different than laying chips all over a roulette table and hoping your number comes up more than it doesn't.

It is all hypothetically speaking and I am really only assuming that this happens just as you are assuming it does not. Obviously I have no idea what goes on in regards to other teams game plans just has they have no idea what goes on with mine. I was only offering some reasons for the upsets. One of my players on another team was on a #1 seed and lost to in the first round. I know exactly why we lost that game and it was not because the sim is any different. We lost the game because the GM was arrogant and thought what he did in the regular season against the team would work again and did not scout the team. Fact is teams that are driven to succeed will figure out a way to get better and when you are on top you do not really worry about getting better until someone knocks you off.

Originally posted by austin8214
Originally posted by MattMan Firespot

Originally posted by austin8214


Originally posted by opspearhead



After playing this game for 3+ seasons now I consider winning out in the playoffs to be very similar to winning the World Series of Poker Main Event. You have to be good, and most importantly, you have to get lucky. I don't care how good a team is...if you don't get lucky then don't expect to move up. I've heard of quite a few undefeated/1-loss teams in other leagues that were knocked out by a #8 seed and the amount of very good teams getting upset is a little alarming to me. So I figure it has gotten to the point where its 60% luck, 30% gameplanning, and 10% team player builds.

Still, whoever wins it all deserves it. I don't think a lower seed will win it since their luck will run out. It will be a top team that takes it in the West.

Edit: Oh and good luck to the remaining teams. I think this is the season a West team wins the league championship.

There are a number of reasons that #1 seeds get upset by #8 seeds. The biggest reason is I think teams spend way more time game planning. Another reason is they are underdogs in their own eyes so they try things that may have seemed outrageous in the regular season. Basically the equivalent of going “ALL IN” with Ace King before you see the flop.

On the flip side I think a lot of #1 seeds take things for granted some and may not plan and scout as hard. At the stage we are in this game now most of the teams that have level 30+ players are on a level playing field so the game plan is huge.



Good points except for the game-planning part, you cant really say if a team spends time game-planning or doesn't take another seriously, cuz you have no idea whats going on behind closed doors. Ive always said the playoffs in GLB are a crap shoot at best, you can put the right game-plan down, but really, its up to the sim and however the equations work out...Its ll based on %'s which in definition, would be luck.

Winning in the playoffs is no different than laying chips all over a roulette table and hoping your number comes up more than it doesn't.

Fact is teams that are driven to succeed will figure out a way to get better and when you are on top you do not really worry about getting better until someone knocks you off.

Ya had me till that last part, there you go again lol You just cant help it huh???
I dont think you could find 1 successful team in this league that doesn't strive to get better no matter the success they have found.

Originally posted by mpowell
Originally posted by MattMan Firespot

Originally posted by mpowell


Well, let me say that it definitely seems like upsets are a little more common in the playoffs. And I think my explanation for that might be that morale is a bigger issue for whatever reason. So if an underdog gets a little lucky and has a good drive, they can extend that momentum more easily in the playoffs. I have seen many playoff games where teams suddenly performed very well or very poorly in an area where they had been consistent all season.

Thats what I said to Ops yesterday, I believe the morale effects are magnified, watch our game against DV, it is a very plausible explanation:

They hit a couple big plays early, and it took us until the 4th quarter to build our morale back up. Then we score 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, while holding them to only 3 points...We ran out of time.

I definately believe the morale penalty/rewards are magnified, but thats what I don't understand. Why wouldn't Bort tell the players about such things when there is really no reason to hide it? Its not exploitable, and if its common knowledge, there are no advantages.

There are many things about the way GLB works in which I feel are kept 'secret' when the players have every right to know. Not code or equations, but how different things are applied to the sim.

I couldn't tell you why Bort likes to keep things secret as I don't know him personally. It's annoying, but it is also undisputably the case. What's even worse is that he occasionally gives out extra information on random threads, which gives an advantage to the people that happened to be reading that thread. There is another problem, though, where Bort doesn't always fully understand what the sim is doing himself. Sure, he knows all the equations, but that doesn't mean he understands all the effects. So you get situations where people notice much different results and Bort can't really tell you if it's b/c people's builds are evolving or if it's due to some 'minor' change to an AI that he's made recently.

I think the build is more important than people are thinking. There are a lot of terrible builds out there and teams with loads of crappy players. That's why A6 teams do so well in these multi league tournaments. But once you get a league like A6 with a number of teams with pretty good builds (even if they're not quite optimal), it starts to come down to game planning and then luck.

Yea man, thats bullshit if you ask me...Bort makes posts here and there, gives our info like 'the most underrated attribute' and the only people who know this information are those in that very thread following him around tryna get a ride on his lap.
It does also seem like he has no diea alot of the problems that lie within the sim, and he worries about expansion expansion expansion but does not correct the internal problems such as HB/LB pathing, or defensive endzone perameter recognition, to name a FEW.

Im hoping he wakes up one day and fixes the shit people actually need, the O-AI was long overdo, anything else is BS when he is overlooking the rest of the problems.
I see alot of BUG forum posts that are just bad builds but there are also a very good amount of some very real, very serious, and game-changing problems that are never addressed that just fall down the page and eventually disappear.

Originally posted by MattMan Firespot
Originally posted by austin8214

Originally posted by MattMan Firespot


Originally posted by austin8214



Originally posted by opspearhead




After playing this game for 3+ seasons now I consider winning out in the playoffs to be very similar to winning the World Series of Poker Main Event. You have to be good, and most importantly, you have to get lucky. I don't care how good a team is...if you don't get lucky then don't expect to move up. I've heard of quite a few undefeated/1-loss teams in other leagues that were knocked out by a #8 seed and the amount of very good teams getting upset is a little alarming to me. So I figure it has gotten to the point where its 60% luck, 30% gameplanning, and 10% team player builds.

Still, whoever wins it all deserves it. I don't think a lower seed will win it since their luck will run out. It will be a top team that takes it in the West.

Edit: Oh and good luck to the remaining teams. I think this is the season a West team wins the league championship.

There are a number of reasons that #1 seeds get upset by #8 seeds. The biggest reason is I think teams spend way more time game planning. Another reason is they are underdogs in their own eyes so they try things that may have seemed outrageous in the regular season. Basically the equivalent of going “ALL IN” with Ace King before you see the flop.

On the flip side I think a lot of #1 seeds take things for granted some and may not plan and scout as hard. At the stage we are in this game now most of the teams that have level 30+ players are on a level playing field so the game plan is huge.



Good points except for the game-planning part, you cant really say if a team spends time game-planning or doesn't take another seriously, cuz you have no idea whats going on behind closed doors. Ive always said the playoffs in GLB are a crap shoot at best, you can put the right game-plan down, but really, its up to the sim and however the equations work out...Its ll based on %'s which in definition, would be luck.

Winning in the playoffs is no different than laying chips all over a roulette table and hoping your number comes up more than it doesn't.

Fact is teams that are driven to succeed will figure out a way to get better and when you are on top you do not really worry about getting better until someone knocks you off.

Ya had me till that last part, there you go again lol You just cant help it huh???
I dont think you could find 1 successful team in this league that doesn't strive to get better no matter the success they have found.


I was not taking a shot at you or your team sorry if you took it that way. It was just an opinion based on some things I have seen on different teams. Fact is there are some people out there that get board with the game and let things slide a bit until the get beat. It happens.

Good luck to both the Lizard Lickers and Daggers in today' game. Hard to pick against either team. I just hope its a good one.

Originally posted by austin8214


I was not taking a shot at you or you team sorry if you took it that way. It was just an opinion based on some things I have seen on different teams. Fact is there are some people out there that get board with the game and let things slide a bit until the get beat. It happens.



This is probably true. But I don't think it applies to any of the teams currently in A6. I know I am always researching ways to improve my team's performance.

Originally posted by mpowell
Originally posted by austin8214



I was not taking a shot at you or you team sorry if you took it that way. It was just an opinion based on some things I have seen on different teams. Fact is there are some people out there that get board with the game and let things slide a bit until the get beat. It happens.



This is probably true. But I don't think it applies to any of the teams currently in A6. I know I am always researching ways to improve my team's performance.


The quote was partially true with me. I liked it, but had trouble with time management. I now have it figured out and our team really came along.

Both championship games in the books. Congrats to the winners.

Crazy boxscore in the West. HBB only ran 37 plays on offense for 200+ yards and won by 15 points despite only getting 1 TO from the Bugeaters.

I guess 2 KO returns for TD and an INT return for TD can tend to skew stats a little Still, it's weird to see a team with over a 2/1 edge in yardage that ran 100 plays from scrimmage to 37 lose handily.

Originally posted by austin8214
Originally posted by MattMan Firespot

Originally posted by austin8214


Originally posted by MattMan Firespot



Originally posted by austin8214




Originally posted by opspearhead





After playing this game for 3+ seasons now I consider winning out in the playoffs to be very similar to winning the World Series of Poker Main Event. You have to be good, and most importantly, you have to get lucky. I don't care how good a team is...if you don't get lucky then don't expect to move up. I've heard of quite a few undefeated/1-loss teams in other leagues that were knocked out by a #8 seed and the amount of very good teams getting upset is a little alarming to me. So I figure it has gotten to the point where its 60% luck, 30% gameplanning, and 10% team player builds.

Still, whoever wins it all deserves it. I don't think a lower seed will win it since their luck will run out. It will be a top team that takes it in the West.

Edit: Oh and good luck to the remaining teams. I think this is the season a West team wins the league championship.

There are a number of reasons that #1 seeds get upset by #8 seeds. The biggest reason is I think teams spend way more time game planning. Another reason is they are underdogs in their own eyes so they try things that may have seemed outrageous in the regular season. Basically the equivalent of going “ALL IN” with Ace King before you see the flop.

On the flip side I think a lot of #1 seeds take things for granted some and may not plan and scout as hard. At the stage we are in this game now most of the teams that have level 30+ players are on a level playing field so the game plan is huge.



Good points except for the game-planning part, you cant really say if a team spends time game-planning or doesn't take another seriously, cuz you have no idea whats going on behind closed doors. Ive always said the playoffs in GLB are a crap shoot at best, you can put the right game-plan down, but really, its up to the sim and however the equations work out...Its ll based on %'s which in definition, would be luck.

Winning in the playoffs is no different than laying chips all over a roulette table and hoping your number comes up more than it doesn't.

Fact is teams that are driven to succeed will figure out a way to get better and when you are on top you do not really worry about getting better until someone knocks you off.

Ya had me till that last part, there you go again lol You just cant help it huh???
I dont think you could find 1 successful team in this league that doesn't strive to get better no matter the success they have found.


I was not taking a shot at you or your team sorry if you took it that way. It was just an opinion based on some things I have seen on different teams. Fact is there are some people out there that get board with the game and let things slide a bit until the get beat. It happens.



Nonono...I didnt think you were taking shots at me lol No worries man...I was jus saying that, again, its just guessing when you say 'teams that are on top stop trying to get better'...Cuz I dont know of any top teams that would apply to thats all.

It was close the entire game. The score doesn't show it. If you take out KO's we'd win. We had a bad DC and I'm surprised it hasn't shown up until now though.

Grats to the conference champions...These playoffs were...eh

If we lose in the league championship game, kurieg, I'm blaming you.

Good game, Daggers. It took us three tries to win the conference title game, so it's nice to finally be on the other end. It should be a good league final against the Beach Boys.