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Cerneo
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Originally posted by Mass Anarchy
Originally posted by BuddyHorn

After game planing this matchup I have a pretty good idea what we will score. I am not as confident about yalls score. I do know if you score 14 we will win this game though.


I see. Since you're able to predict scores I recommend the rest of the league burns you at the steak because you're probably a WITCH!!


Now that yo dais that you need to post your score Buddy.

Thats right...its a score off!
 
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OK, like I said I cant get a handle on what you will score.

Here are my two scenarios for Houston.

Your D plays well and gets a couple of turnovers. Hou 28-?
Your D does what I think it should and Hou 38-<14
 
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Originally posted by redwolfe11


I am clearly biased here, but I would be remised if I did not mention...

The Tallahassee loss to Mavs should include an asterisk. That was the game that the passing algorithms were all fucked up. We happened to go to a heavy pass attack game plan that game too. No way our offense only puts up 3 points under normal circumstances.


Your right...because after all our team was not equally affected by any and all code changes.

The only risk you have is showing how much of an whiny little aster you are.


 
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I've been reading in these posts which is tougher "East or West", and I kind of find it funny. I think its too tough to call. A lot of good teams on both sides that can beat each other.

But what I like to know, if the East and West merge, how would you place them in rank top to bottom?

I was just wondering.
 
BuddyHorn
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The east vs west thing is just good fodder to pass the time btwn games. They both have some good teams. The biggest diff is the lower level teams.
 
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Originally posted by BuddyHorn
The east vs west thing is just good fodder to pass the time btwn games. They both have some good teams. The biggest diff is the lower level teams.



I know, it was for shits and giggles..lol.

 
Mass Anarchy
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Originally posted by BuddyHorn
OK, like I said I cant get a handle on what you will score.

Here are my two scenarios for Houston.

Your D plays well and gets a couple of turnovers. Hou 28-?
Your D does what I think it should and Hou 38-<14


I gaurantee you won't score 38. That's a promise. It just won't happen, we're too evenly matched. If you think any differently you're a fool.
 
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Originally posted by claystone
I've been reading in these posts which is tougher "East or West", and I kind of find it funny. I think its too tough to call. A lot of good teams on both sides that can beat each other.

But what I like to know, if the East and West merge, how would you place them in rank top to bottom?

I was just wondering.


If we want to put to rest who is better then whom in the whole league all someone has to do is step up and do some work....

If you have excel there is a formula that you can use for unbias power rankings. I would do it but i dont have excel. Someone with excell step up. its not hard and you can make it alot more fun with the powerranking system plus cerneos predictions.

If you look alot of leagues above us and some below have these power ranking systems. how come a great league like ours doesnt????

USe excel and this formula.....

have developed a 100% mathematical (and therefore theoretically unbiased) power ranking system that I will be using to rank our Conference on a game-by-game basis. The official pre-season rankings won't be released until tonight after training and to hopefully include as many offseason boosts as possible, for optimal accuracy. In the meantime though, I want to use this post to fully disclose the formula. If you don't care, that's fair, this will definitely be tl;dr, so just enjoy the rankings when they come out. For the mathematically inclined though, enjoy:

The system has two components. One component is a power ranking based on the current starting lineup which I will explain first. The preseason rankings will be based entirely on this factor. The second component will an adjustment based on actual game results, that should hopefully, over time, account for errors in the roster rankings.

Roster Power Rankings: To begin with, I put every team's starting lineup in a spreadsheet. Right now, I'm looking ONLY at the level of each starter. Backups and builds are ignored (this is the primary source of error that component two will have to adjust for). CPU players are universally treated as the equivalent of a level 1 human player, regardless of the CPU's actual level. Holes in the lineup are treated as level 0. Each player is then graded against the other players at his position (WR1 and WR2 are considered separate positions, as are LOT and ROT, etc...). A player who is the highest level in the Conference at his position will be rated 100, anyone else will be linearly scaled (so if the best player were a 10, an 8 would become an 80, etc...).

Next, using the scaled player ratings, I give each team a separate rating in pass offense, rush offense, pass defense, and rush defense, using weighted averages of the players' relative importance to that aspect of the game. These are the crude formulas I'm using:

Pass Offense: (QB + (WR1 + WR2)/2 + TE/5 + (OL AVG)/2)/2.7
Rush Offense: (HB + FB/5 + (OL AVG))/2.2
Pass Defense: (CB1 + CB2 + (S AVG) + (DE AVG)*.75 + (LB AVG)/2)/4.25
Rush Defense: ((DT AVG) + (DE AVG)/2 + (LB AVG))/2.5

Then, I average the pass and run numbers together to get overall Offense and Defense rankings, and finally I average these numbers together to give the team its final Overall Power Ranking.

Adjustments: The power ranking is obviously not perfect. It will change each week as rosters change and players level up, but it also has systematic flaws that will get exposed when teams are "upset" by lower rated teams. To adjust for these upsets, any team that defeats a higher rated team (based on roster ratings AT GAME TIME) will receive an "upset bonus" equal to the difference in roster ratings. The higher rated team will receive an equal "upset penalty". These bonuses and penalties will be capped at 5-10, I'm not sure yet. Teams that are overrated in the roster ratings (because they lack depth, or their starters are poorly built and perform below their level, or because of poor game planning and tactics, or whatever other reason) will see their ranking drop, even as their roster rating remains high, as they lose games they "shouldn't" have. Underrated teams, with positive intangibles, will similarly see their ranking rise.
 
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Originally posted by Mass Anarchy
Originally posted by BuddyHorn

OK, like I said I cant get a handle on what you will score.

Here are my two scenarios for Houston.

Your D plays well and gets a couple of turnovers. Hou 28-?
Your D does what I think it should and Hou 38-<14


I gaurantee you won't score 38. That's a promise. It just won't happen, we're too evenly matched. If you think any differently you're a fool.


Hey, I am not talking trash, I gave you my opinion of what I see. I have been wrong before.

I am very interested in this game due to a couple of things that could play out very well for us is all I am saying.

 
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Cerneo, i say you do a protest and boycott making your Predictions for every weeks games until someone gets on his PC and does a spreadsheet for power rankings. why should you bust your ass for 30 minutes writing em up when no one else will?
Last edited May 10, 2008 11:22:03
 
jearly
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Originally posted by Whatsdafus
Cerneo, i say you do a protest and boycott making your Predictions for every weeks games until some last ass gets on his PC and does a spreadsheet for power rankings. why should you bust your ass for 30 minutes writing em up when no one else will?


no thanks. I'm in leagues where people do that formula and its completely jacked... we were the #5 team and we beat the a top 8 team by 30 points, but we fell to #6. The team that passed us barely beat a crappy 2-5 team.
 
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Originally posted by jearly
Originally posted by Whatsdafus

Cerneo, i say you do a protest and boycott making your Predictions for every weeks games until some last ass gets on his PC and does a spreadsheet for power rankings. why should you bust your ass for 30 minutes writing em up when no one else will?


no thanks. I'm in leagues where people do that formula and its completely jacked... we were the #5 team and we beat the a top 8 team by 30 points, but we fell to #6. The team that passed us barely beat a crappy 2-5 team.


LOL did they have a better record? did they blow out the teams they played... Ranking is done on overall work... not just what you did this week
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Well Cerneo you finally did it, you predicted us to lose. Which of course means now I have to go on and on about how you have no idea what you're talking about and your predictions suck.

Ah well, 8-0 here we come.
 
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Originally posted by Whatsdafus
Originally posted by jearly

Originally posted by Whatsdafus


Cerneo, i say you do a protest and boycott making your Predictions for every weeks games until some last ass gets on his PC and does a spreadsheet for power rankings. why should you bust your ass for 30 minutes writing em up when no one else will?


no thanks. I'm in leagues where people do that formula and its completely jacked... we were the #5 team and we beat the a top 8 team by 30 points, but we fell to #6. The team that passed us barely beat a crappy 2-5 team.


LOL did they have a better record? did they blow out the teams they played... Ranking is done on overall work... not just what you did this week


no, we have a better record and the team we beat had a better record than the team they beat.

obviously its done on overall work - that's why were #5 before we played a ranked team and they were #6. Us beating a ranked team by more points than they beat a crappy team would only enhance our resume more than theirs.

Its a formula and formula's will have problems - look at how many people bitch about the BCS and that's way more complicated than the xcel formula you've put forth.

Also - if we put your math formula in and it came out with NY being better, there would just be bitching and moaning that the results are screwed because NY plays "weaker competition"...

Sorry man, a math formula won't work either because it will only measure a team's ability vs. its conference so you would get a "relative" idea of team's strength in its conference but no idea how good NY is compared to Omaha.
 
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But it would be fun. We need something to help pass the time until the big game tonight.
 
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