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rams78110
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Originally posted by wormser1971
Ignoring the evidence of explosives still? It is right here ^

So seth, 100% of the witnesses to the explosions were wrong/lying?


When you have about 87 people who saw a plane, massive structural damage and fire for every 1 who says bomb or conspiracy....

Yeah, they were either wrong or lying.
 
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Originally posted by wormser1971
It was 8 stories high. I would like your explanation of how high a building has to be to collapse from fire? According to engineers, no fire would cause collapse, except in the remarkable case of wtc 7 (although that explanation is pretty questionable since they only say total collapse was inevitable with no explanation of why).

Your second point is idiotic

third point is even more idiotic



It was actually 52 stories high, l-o-fucking-l. That's not even close. You're just going to completely make shit up now? Well I guess you have been this entire time.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
It was actually 52 stories high, l-o-fucking-l. That's not even close. You're just going to completely make shit up now? Well I guess you have been this entire time.


building 6 was 8 stories high. You insult yourself with stupidity. WTC 7 was taller, yes, but you knew what I typed.
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Originally posted by rams78110
When you have about 87 people who saw a plane, massive structural damage and fire for every 1 who says bomb or conspiracy....

Yeah, they were either wrong or lying.


there were a total of 89 people who claim they witnessed an object hit the pentagon.
Originally posted by eric bart

about 89 The amount of eye witnesses I gathered who stated they saw an object crash into the Pentagon

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/witnesses.html

I guess you are saying that only 1 person heard bombs at the WTC. You are really reaching for garbage.
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
There you go again with the asinine, 'no fire could cause a collapse' argument when it is obvious that it wasn't just fire that caused the WTC 1, 2 and 7 to collapse but was instead a combination of massive structural damage and fire.


You are perhaps the worst of them. I will quote NIST for you (again)
Originally posted by nist

After gravity initialization, debris impact damage
from the collapse of WTC 1 was applied to the global
model. The damage applied was isolated to two zones on the southern side of the building. The analysis
demonstrated that the remaining structure was able
to redistribute the loads from the damaged zone and
the building developed an equilibrium state.


debris did not cause the collapse, nor did structural damage have much effect.

Originally posted by nist
The initial failure event was the buckling of Column
79. This event was followed by the buckling of
adjacent Columns 80 and 81.
The floor framing structure was thermally weakened at
Floors 8 to 14, with the most substantial damage
occurring in the east region of Floors 12, 13, and
14. During the LS-DYNA temperature application
cycle, combined thermal expansion and thermally de
graded material properties resulted in beam and
girder connection damage throughout the heated fl
oor structures.
The global analysis without debris impact damage showed that WTC 7 would have collapsed solely due
to the effects of the fires. The
initiation of collapse was virtually the
same as for the global analysis with
debris impact damage.


http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861612

Baum, please read facts, instead of making up your own theories.

Even NIST agrees that the debris had nothing to do with the collapse, with the exception of starting a fire.

 
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Originally posted by wormser1971
Originally posted by nist

After gravity initialization, debris impact damage
from the collapse of WTC 1 was applied to the global
model. The damage applied was isolated to two zones on the southern side of the building. The analysis
demonstrated that the remaining structure was able
to redistribute the loads from the damaged zone and
the building developed an equilibrium state.



Don't be daft. It established an equilibrium state and then burned to the point that that state then failed. You can't say that the building suffered structural damage and returned to a state that was just as strong as the original state of the building. Only an idiot would claim that. It isn't hard to understand. Also please show me one eye witness that saw a bomb go off or saw a thermite charge burning through a beam in any of the WTC buildings. There aren't any, because it didn't happen. People reported HEARING explosions but that doesn't mean those were caused by bombs or C4. If you have ever watched a building demolition go down you would know that the WTC building failures did not follow any of those processes.

At least you have fessed up to the fact that the Pentagon was indeed hit by a passenger plane though so I will take that as a small victory.
 
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>talking about WTC 7 for the previous few posts
>changes to wtc 6 with no warning, get a tinfoil stick up his ass that no one can follow his lack of coherence
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
Don't be daft. It established an equilibrium state and then burned to the point that that state then failed. You can't say that the building suffered structural damage and returned to a state that was just as strong as the original state of the building. Only an idiot would claim that. It isn't hard to understand. Also please show me one eye witness that saw a bomb go off or saw a thermite charge burning through a beam in any of the WTC buildings. There aren't any, because it didn't happen. People reported HEARING explosions but that doesn't mean those were caused by bombs or C4. If you have ever watched a building demolition go down you would know that the WTC building failures did not follow any of those processes.

At least you have fessed up to the fact that the Pentagon was indeed hit by a passenger plane though so I will take that as a small victory.


Nice job ignoring the part where nist did two analysis, which ended up showing that the collapse was the same with debris damage or without. At least you disagree with the official story, just like homage ended up doing.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
>talking about WTC 7 for the previous few posts
>changes to wtc 6 with no warning, get a tinfoil stick up his ass that no one can follow his lack of coherence


Did you come up with that all by yourself?

Now tell me again.... why should we ignore 100% of the wtc witnesses and videos ?
 
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Originally posted by wormser1971
Did you come up with that all by yourself?

Now tell me again.... why should we ignore 100% of the wtc witnesses and videos ?


First, you need to admit that a 52 story building is more likely to collapse given the same scaled damage as the 8 story building. There is literally no denying that.

And because people are bad. There have been eyewitness accounts of bigfoot, alien abductions, the loch ness monster, and the chupacabra. You watch the same videos I do, you just have a paranoid view of them. And you ignore the 1,000 people who saw a plane, fire, and collapse, for the 10 who saw a bomb and demolition. There's something to be said there.
Edited by rams78110 on Nov 23, 2013 17:42:52
 
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Originally posted by wormser1971
Nice job ignoring the part where nist did two analysis, which ended up showing that the collapse was the same with debris damage or without. At least you disagree with the official story, just like homage ended up doing.


I haven't seen any such thing with the NIST report. I have looked at the description and computer analysis of how the collapses occurred and I agree with those. I have yet to see an eyewitness that said they saw a bomb go off. Also when people reported hearing 'explosions' it was when or soon after the plane hit the buildings. If people saw explosions occurring right before the building collapsed then maybe the demolition story might have legs but no such thing occurred. They actually have film from inside the towers when the 1st building collapsed. No bombs were going off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xYjoSvzWeo

Stop spreading the lies Wormser.
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
I haven't seen any such thing with the NIST report. I have looked at the description and computer analysis of how the collapses occurred and I agree with those. I have yet to see an eyewitness that said they saw a bomb go off. Also when people reported hearing 'explosions' it was when or soon after the plane hit the buildings. If people saw explosions occurring right before the building collapsed then maybe the demolition story might have legs but no such thing occurred. They actually have film from inside the towers when the 1st building collapsed. No bombs were going off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xYjoSvzWeo

Stop spreading the lies Wormser.




You are so dense its unbelievable...



 
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Originally posted by wormser1971
Nice job ignoring the part where nist did two analysis, which ended up showing that the collapse was the same with debris damage or without. At least you disagree with the official story, just like homage ended up doing.


lol I never disagreed with the original story.
 
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Originally posted by Homage
lol I never disagreed with the original story.


You disagreed with me saying that they should have used a specific analysis, until you found out it was a ruse, and that was actually what they used... then you changed it up and said, "that's what I meant".

You guys so badly want to believe what you were told that you will disagree with anything I say, even when it was what NIST said, which is the official story. I could just hug you all, cuz I feel so bad for you.
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
I haven't seen any such thing with the NIST report. I have looked at the description and computer analysis of how the collapses occurred and I agree with those. I have yet to see an eyewitness that said they saw a bomb go off. Also when people reported hearing 'explosions' it was when or soon after the plane hit the buildings. If people saw explosions occurring right before the building collapsed then maybe the demolition story might have legs but no such thing occurred. They actually have film from inside the towers when the 1st building collapsed. No bombs were going off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xYjoSvzWeo

Stop spreading the lies Wormser.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvUIQZ7t7Ak same video... just the parts you wanted ignored!

People burning... narrator saying "it was like the plane hit the lobby.... I spread no lies. You, however, try to suppress the truth.
 
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Originally posted by Gnosis


You are so dense its unbelievable...





Coming from you this is a good thing since you live in bizarro world. Go back under your bridge you copy paste troll.
Edited by baumusc on Nov 25, 2013 13:47:10
 
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