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Some people are poor because of bad life choices. Others are poor because of events that occurred beyond their control.

From what I've seen it's about 70/30.

Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
Okay. Prove it.

This has nothing to do with being poor and is by no means scientific but I've heard the same type of thing from local manufacturers that require drug testing prior to employment.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/survey-a-third-of-manufacturing-job-applicants-disqualified-due-to-drug-testing-1.1737055


I honestly don't know the unemployment regulations in this state but have been told that to be eligible, participants must continue to apply for available jobs and that not showing up for interviews or failing a drug test will not exclude them from benefits.

Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
So let's just completely ignore the same failed results from LITERALLY EVERY OTHER STATE THAT HAS DONE IT. FACE IT DUDE, POOR PEOPLE ARE OFTEN TOO POOR TO AFFORD DRUGS.

LOL

Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
Okay. Prove it.

U first

Originally posted by A.D. Abercrombie
Some people are poor because of bad life choices. Others are poor because of events that occurred beyond their control.
From what I've seen it's about 70/30.

most of the time, it's a combination of the two.

actually, one of the biggest differentiators is the degree to which you can afford to make a mistake. the wealthier you are, the more you can afford bad life choices and still stay in the game. for poor people, it's often a one-strike-and-you're-out sort of life.

Originally posted by Catullus16
most of the time, it's a combination of the two.

actually, one of the biggest differentiators is the degree to which you can afford to make a mistake. the wealthier you are, the more you can afford bad life choices and still stay in the game. for poor people, it's often a one-strike-and-you're-out sort of life.


You just have that inner voice that says "I didn't hear no bell!". You have to get up and keep punching.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

You just have that inner voice that says "I didn't hear no bell!". You have to get up and keep punching.

exactly. it's clearly a willpower issue and everyone deserves their poverty, even children and disabled people.

Originally posted by Catullus16
most of the time, it's a combination of the two.

actually, one of the biggest differentiators is the degree to which you can afford to make a mistake. the wealthier you are, the more you can afford bad life choices and still stay in the game. for poor people, it's often a one-strike-and-you're-out sort of life.

That is a great point and applies to the relationship between small and large business as well and why cost control and debt management is so important. If you have cash or are not leveraged, you can absorb a mistake or even a period of time where there are small margins or negative margins. If you have no cash and have a high level of debt, there is absolutely no room for error.

Originally posted by Cowpoker
That is a great point and applies to the relationship between small and large business as well and why cost control and debt management is so important. If you have cash or are not leveraged, you can absorb a mistake or even a period of time where there are small margins or negative margins. If you have no cash and have a high level of debt, there is absolutely no room for error.

No, it's not a great point. In fact, it's a pretty bad point. Poor people have nothing to lose. How exactly does failure set them back? They are just where they started initially, which is with very little to nothing. If it's possible to move beyond starting with very little to nothing, which it is, it is still possible to move beyond starting with very little to nothing next time you try.

Also, your small vs large business analogy is completely off base. Cash flow and leverage have nothing to do with being small or large. They have to do with cash flow and leverage.

haha, cuiv the contrarian strikes again.

someone quote me saying 1+1=2 and see what happens.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
No, it's not a great point. In fact, it's a pretty bad point. Poor people have nothing to lose. How exactly does failure set them back? They are just where they started initially, which is with very little to nothing. If it's possible to move beyond starting with very little to nothing, which it is, it is still possible to move beyond starting with very little to nothing next time you try.

Also, your small vs large business analogy is completely off base. Cash flow and leverage have nothing to do with being small or large. They have to do with cash flow and leverage.

Bullshit, it takes a lot of effort to go from having $100 in your bank account to $1,000 and then to $10,000 and then to $100,000 to a point where you can be more independent. The change in your life at those levels are dramatic. There is a huge difference between being $75 short on your bills every month and having an extra $75 every month.

We are talking about poor people, very few poor people have a huge positive cash flow or owned assets because that would make them not poor !

Bullshit about the big/small. If I have a 1,000 cows worth $2500 each and have 50% debt against those cows, I can still eat with a 2% return on that investment. If I have 50 cows worth $2500 each and have 50% debt against those cows and only a 2% return, good luck living on $2500 a year. Those are the exact hiccups that the small operations don't survive.

Originally posted by TruBucfan22
U first

Oh. So you can't prove your bullshit statement. Got it.

Man, I tell ya. I came from a poor family but pulled myself out of the gutter. My escape was baseball. I worked day and night honing my skill and became a franchise player for the Brewers. Admittedly, I was a little selfish and walked out on my team but made up for it later.

My life after baseball was successful until I found out there had been a mistake. Instead of having 3k hits I only had 2,997. It sucked because "Mr 3k" was my marketing gimmick. Had to go back and get those hits. It taught me humility. Now I'm not only successful but also at peace with myself.

Originally posted by Cowpoker
Bullshit, it takes a lot of effort to go from having $100 in your bank account to $1,000 and then to $10,000 and then to $100,000 to a point where you can be more independent. The change in your life at those levels are dramatic. There is a huge difference between being $75 short on your bills every month and having an extra $75 every month.

We are talking about poor people, very few poor people have a huge positive cash flow or owned assets because that would make them not poor !

Bullshit about the big/small. If I have a 1,000 cows worth $2500 each and have 50% debt against those cows, I can still eat with a 2% return on that investment. If I have 50 cows worth $2500 each and have 50% debt against those cows and only a 2% return, good luck living on $2500 a year. Those are the exact hiccups that the small operations don't survive.

cp, you are usually not this stupid.

You can rant about shit all you want, but going from 100 to 1000 doesn't magically get harder after the first time you fail. It is just as hard.

Going from 10,000 to 100,000 is arguably harder, because if you really fuck up, you are back down to 100 and now you need to struggle just to get back to 10,000 before you can even attempt 100,000 again.

And you're wrong on the business side too. You've now changed your argument on that front, but your new scenario doesn't prove anything.

So you don't live in real life.