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Originally posted by foshizzel17
a "screening" is a pee test that is less acurate than an official "drug test". the ones that failed the screening were ordered to take a test. im sure those that did not show would have failed, but the numbers are still lower than i expected


OK, so the 7,441 actually passed a pee test, just not the sophisticated pee test. Can you assume those folks are all drug free or are there false positives and/or drugs missed. ?
 
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I had an econ prof who defined rent seekers as anyone who was not an (economic) entrepreneur, so essentially, if you weren't a producer of something, you were a rent seeker. In which case, it is unfair to generalize all rent seekers together, such as the author of Larry's illustration did.


did they differentiate between rentiers and rent-seekers?

most definitions are going to be variations on a theme, and ultimately all are twists on whatever theory of value one is using. like if you follow a labor theory of value, well then you're going to necessarily end up with a different take on rents than you would if you're using a marginalist theory of value. ultimately, the question is whether rents are intrinsic or subjective.

(and it's interesting that classical economics started with the answer of 'intrinsic', which is why marx can be read as an extension of ricardo when it comes to economic value. and then, following the paradox of value, we have the menger's marginalist revolution which twisted classical economics off its axis and gave rise to the psychological schools and even austrian economics. cram those together (roughly speaking) and we end up with the samuelson synthesis where things are back to intrinsic, except bracketed out and so limited in scope that almost all the math presumes subjectivity and voila, a mainstream economics where everyone has been confused about the ultimate nature of value ever since. basically, the question got so thoroughly punted down the road because economics is not a deductive discipline any longer (save for the austrians/etc) and instead is a sprawling empirical/inductive mess where the science has to be sloppy because the object of study is evolving at the speed of the internet.)

tldr -- if you're at a cocktail party and want to impress (or frustrate) an econ grad student, just start talking about rents.
Edited by Catullus16 on Feb 16, 2016 10:57:22
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
.3% of the 7600 that were screened before tested


Yes, agreed they purposefully picked the methodology that resulted in the lowest percentage possible, reason be damned. Defo not biased.
 
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Originally posted by Catullus16
did they differentiate between rentiers and rent-seekers?

most definitions are going to be variations on a theme, and ultimately all are twists on whatever theory of value one is using. like if you follow a labor theory of value, well then you're going to necessarily end up with a different take on rents than you would if you're using a marginalist theory of value. ultimately, the question is whether rents are intrinsic or subjective.

(and it's interesting that classical economics started with the answer of 'intrinsic', which is why marx can be read as an extension of ricardo when it comes to economic value. and then, following the paradox of value, we have the menger's marginalist revolution which twisted classical economics off its axis and gave rise to the psychological schools and even austrian economics. cram those together (roughly speaking) and we end up with the samuelson synthesis where things are back to intrinsic, except bracketed out and so limited in scope that almost all the math presumes subjectivity and voila, a mainstream economics where everyone has been confused about the ultimate nature of value ever since. basically, the question got so thoroughly punted down the road because economics is not a deductive discipline any longer (save for the austrians/etc) and instead is a sprawling empirical/inductive mess where the science has to be sloppy because the object of study is evolving at the speed of the internet.)

tldr -- if you're at a cocktail party and want to impress (or frustrate) an econ grad student, just start talking about rents.


No differentiation. It was an MBA level Macro-Econ course so basically, you could call it a short-cut definition so that the econ prof could teach us a year's worth of senior level undergrad Macro Econ in less than ten weeks. iow, there was no definitive differentiation in the meaning between Bernie Madoff and a firefighter or an accountant (no offense to ya all); however, the vagueness of the term and therefore the warning in using it as such was explicit. The philosophical discussion lasted about 17 seconds, plus or minus.

Plus, the prof was German. [<== probably could have just started with this and you'd understand 100%...next time]
 
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
OK, so the 7,441 actually passed a pee test, just not the sophisticated pee test. Can you assume those folks are all drug free or are there false positives and/or drugs missed. ?


drug "screenings" are more likely to cause a false positive than a false negative
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
Yes, agreed they purposefully picked the methodology that resulted in the lowest percentage possible, reason be damned. Defo not biased.


drug "screenings" are more likely to cause a false positive than a false negative
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
drug "screenings" are more likely to cause a false positive than a false negative


Poppy seed muffins ?

That number does actually shock me then. Kudos to poor people, if the average across the entire population is in the 9-10% range, I would have easily expected 15-20%+.

Maybe it is a better idea to drug test congress and all the state legislatures, 2 to 1 that number comes back higher.
 
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What drugs should people be on and what drugs should they not be on?
 
foshizzel17
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Originally posted by BigMex73
What drugs should people be on and what drugs should they not be on?


anything that has 2 pages of side effects and is produced by a pharma co. is ok
 
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Well I got my fucking taxes done. Taking into account my final gross pay for 2015 minus all the taxes taken out plus my refund I paid taxes at a rate of fucking 19.8%. What is this shit? I work at fucking Walmart this is why the government sucks. Fuck me.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Well I got my fucking taxes done. Taking into account my final gross pay for 2015 minus all the taxes taken out plus my refund I paid taxes at a rate of fucking 19.8%. What is this shit? I work at fucking Walmart this is why the government sucks. Fuck me.


That can't be true. Lurchy sez all Walmart employees are on public assistance because Walmart beats them up and steals their paychecks back after the employees cash them...or something like that.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Well I got my fucking taxes done. Taking into account my final gross pay for 2015 minus all the taxes taken out plus my refund I paid taxes at a rate of fucking 19.8%. What is this shit? I work at fucking Walmart this is why the government sucks. Fuck me.


Haha. Given all of the deductions I get (basic provincial, basic federal, basic bitch, graduate tax rebate, etc.) my marginal tax rate isn't much higher than yours. And I get universal healthcare, cheaper drugs, and a health and dental plan.
Edited by Time Trial on Feb 16, 2016 20:53:33
 
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Originally posted by Time Trial
And I get universal healthcare, cheaper drugs, and a health and dental plan.


And your national security paid for by the United States.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
And your national security paid for by the United States.


I don't think we've built a wall for them yet.
 
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I don't think we've built a wall for them yet.


We'll do so after we've built ours.
 
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