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Originally posted by Cowpoker
I like the tax idea personally because I don't consume many products. That being said, any idea what your budget would look like in terms of revenue ?

You realize that import taxes and tariffs can hurt you as much as they help you right ? If you look at oil and fuel alone, we are not that far removed from $100 a barrel, the only reason we are currently at a fraction of that is because of our ability to drill our own oil, if we aggressively added a tariff to foreign oil to support the Texas, ND, OK, Alaska regions, we would likely still be $70+ for oil and $3.50+ for a gallon of gas. I maybe see the dark side of these trade deals more then the average person, we just recently approved a trade deal with Columbia that removed an 80% tax on US beef and TPP will ratchet down what is currently a 39.5% tariff on US beef that Japan has in place and that is one of our largest export markets. The importance of those trade deals being that as the middle class grows worldwide, they consume energy and their diets change and we are one of the largest suppliers of protein and refined fuel and you want to fuck that up now ? That is shitty timing, we already weathered the loss of production jobs and now when it is our turn to reap the rewards from those sacrifices and investments, you want to fuck the whole thing up ? As much as it might pain me and others to admit, we are WTO's bitch. The American consumer supported Country of Origin Labeling (COOL) where US companies were allowed to label a beef product as born, raised, butchered in the USA and Mexico and Canada sued the US with WTO and WTO ruled in their favor to allow them to impose tariff increases which would have cost the US beef industry over 1 billion dollars a year. The US congress caved in immediately, they had no choice. Basically, Canada and Mexico have more control over your food then you do.


Where I live gas is $1.79/gallon. So if tariffs dropped the price from $100/barrel to $70 why would my gas go up to $3.50/gallon? That makes no sense. And we force the rest of the world to up their labor standards by making there cheaply produced stuff the same price as our goods. Thus Making null and void where the product is made, because all people will be more wage equivalent. And we should emphasize American made and American employed companies/products, not demonize there costs. It should be a sense of pride giving back to your community and country through your purchases.
Edited by glbisthewaytobe on Feb 13, 2016 15:01:00
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Originally posted by glbisthewaytobe
Where I live gas is $1.79/gallon. So if tariffs dropped the price from $100/barrel to $70 why would my gas go up to $3.50/gallon? That makes no sense. And we force the rest of the world to up their labor standards by making there cheaply produced stuff the same price as our goods. Thus Making null and void where the product is made, because all people will be more wage equivalent. And we should emphasize American made and American employed companies/products, not demonize there costs. It should be a sense of pride giving back to your community and country through your purchases.


Pay attention, we are not far removed from $100 a barrel oil, the price of oil is in the mid $30's currently I believe which is below the break even price of production for most U.S. drillers to make a profit. The ND region has seen 70% of its drilling operations shutdown and I read that Saudi can produce oil and still make a profit at $9 a barrel.

You can't force our labor standards on the rest of the world, we don't run the world and if we are tariffing their products, they tariff ours.

It should be a lot of things but you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which hand gets full first. The reality and the market where actual money is spent is far different then the information you get on consumer surveys.
 
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
Pay attention, we are not far removed from $100 a barrel oil, the price of oil is in the mid $30's currently I believe which is below the break even price of production for most U.S. drillers to make a profit. The ND region has seen 70% of its drilling operations shutdown and I read that Saudi can produce oil and still make a profit at $9 a barrel.

You can't force our labor standards on the rest of the world, we don't run the world and if we are tariffing their products, they tariff ours.

It should be a lot of things but you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which hand gets full first. The reality and the market where actual money is spent is far different then the information you get on consumer surveys.


We can force whatever we want to. Want to put high tariff on our products? Cool, no more foreign aid for you. You want to fuck around with tariffs on our products? Cool, we'll just embargo all of your products. If that doesn't work we have our military. Read the book confessions of an economic hitman. We force countries do all sorts of things in our best interests all the time.
 
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Great illustration: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/CLASSWARFARE.png
 
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Ive always been in favor of drug testing anyone who receives welfare from the government. I applauded NC for making it happen last year. The results have been kind of shocking imo

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/ned-barnett/article60097156.html
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Great illustration: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/CLASSWARFARE.png


Um, not even sure what point it's trying to make, let alone what argument it's trying to counter.
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
Ive always been in favor of drug testing anyone who receives welfare from the government. I applauded NC for making it happen last year. The results have been kind of shocking imo

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/ned-barnett/article60097156.html


I was never in favor of drug testing but it was based on the overall cost of the testing and the reality that you were not going to save any money and I didn't think you would influence people to stay clean, there are other ways to defraud assistance programs. That being said, the low numbers were a huge shock, I would have suspected it to be in the double digits.
 
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
I was never in favor of drug testing but it was based on the overall cost of the testing and the reality that you were not going to save any money and I didn't think you would influence people to stay clean, there are other ways to defraud assistance programs. That being said, the low numbers were a huge shock, I would have suspected it to be in the double digits.


Where's foo when you need him?
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Great illustration: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/CLASSWARFARE.png


Rent seekers?
 
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Originally posted by Corndog
Um, not even sure what point it's trying to make, let alone what argument it's trying to counter.


Not surprised that you couldn't understand something simple.
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
Ive always been in favor of drug testing anyone who receives welfare from the government. I applauded NC for making it happen last year. The results have been kind of shocking imo

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/ned-barnett/article60097156.html


I wonder if that article is biased when they are trotting out math like 21/89=0.3%.
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
I wonder if that article is biased when they are trotting out math like 21/89=0.3%.


Because north carolina is the only state that's done this, and the only state where it's been a waste of money. Oh, wait, literally everywhere else we've done this in this country has shown the same thing.
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
Rent seekers?


I found this for a definition:

"When a company, organization or individual uses their resources to obtain an economic gain from others without reciprocating any benefits back to society through wealth creation."

And then this for examples:

"An example of rent-seeking in a modern economy is spending money on lobbying for government subsidies in order to be given wealth that has already been created, or to impose regulations on competitors, in order to increase market share."
 
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So nothing to do with rent or even seeking really.
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
So nothing to do with rent or even seeking really.


Its a colloquialism I guess.
 
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