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taurran
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by jrry32

No, you are completely clueless. I don't think you read any of the discussion we just had with Bort. By losing their balance, I mean them shrinking. We just discussed them getting penalized to their tackling roll and some attributes after they have lost their balance.

Faking in GLB means something specific. It does not mean changing direction. You have been making yourself look ridiculous by continually insisting that "fake" means something it obviously does not.

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Oh and Bolick, I recommend you not talk about things you have no idea about. Moody is not an elusive RB, he's a combo RB. He does have some nice juke moves but he is quite powerful and usually ends runs dragging defenders or plowing over a guy.

It's laughable that you even say this. Personally i had no idea that you were completely clueless about Florida's players given how much you obviously like talking about them. In fact, one of the most common criticisms about Moody in scouting circles is that he goes to such lengths in avoiding contact. He is actually very reluctant to put his head down and initiate contact to gain extra yards, not unlike Reggie Bush. But sure, let's take your word for it when you don't even know what the word "fake" means instead of listening to the guy who actually gets paid to evaluate college prospects.


No one cares that you write news articles for your fantasy football website.
 
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Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Originally posted by blln4lyf

Originally posted by kurieg


Originally posted by Bukowski



I don't really think the balance is wrong for Power Backs.

If he really fixed pathing, then I would agree with what you're saying. But as it stands now, I just think it wouldn't hurt for the Elusive SAs to have a very slight bump, if anything.


As long as he doesn't do both. Both really worries me - home run hitting out of control imo.


Me too tbh, but I am not afraid of a change since I am confident the testers would not allow something like that to go live or hit the regular season.


Was there a bit of humor in this post? Not sure but I laughed anyway.


 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Vision does serve a purpose.

It allows you to take the best path.

We should fix the fact that the best path isn't the best path, rather than just nuke the entire idea and make it Carrying2.


K, tell Bort to "Fix the pathing" See how that goes for you.
 
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
The common elusive back is almost non-viable without SA's at the high levels, unlike any other position in the game.

Would you agree that return CBs are built pretty similarly to what you would expect from a true "elusive," agility-based running back? I would love to see the type of movement they display on punt returns be what agility-based HBs can do from the backfield. Right now it isn't because the pathing is screwed up, and those HBs just keeping making cuts back and forth pointlessly until someone tackles them.


Originally posted by taurran
No one cares that you write news articles for your fantasy football website.

National magazine, actually. But by all means, pretend like that's nothing significant. I'm sure that being an online troll has been a much more lucrative and rewarding career for you.
Edited by jdbolick on Dec 30, 2009 22:11:13
 
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lol @ Vision on a HB. Only reason to have it is for SYM imo.
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Pretty good summation.


Now go pass this along to Bort and a good stride was made for GLB today.
 
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt

Originally posted by blln4lyf


Originally posted by kurieg



Originally posted by Bukowski




I don't really think the balance is wrong for Power Backs.

If he really fixed pathing, then I would agree with what you're saying. But as it stands now, I just think it wouldn't hurt for the Elusive SAs to have a very slight bump, if anything.


As long as he doesn't do both. Both really worries me - home run hitting out of control imo.


Me too tbh, but I am not afraid of a change since I am confident the testers would not allow something like that to go live or hit the regular season.


Was there a bit of humor in this post? Not sure but I laughed anyway.




Double meaning on this as well, I wonder if anyone can guess em.
 
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Originally posted by David Stern
K, tell Bort to "Fix the pathing" See how that goes for you.


Unlike most of the mouth breathers on this forum, I actually try to describe what's wrong, and come up with solutions rather than scream "fix <problem>"
Edited by Deathblade on Dec 30, 2009 22:12:23
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by David Stern

K, tell Bort to "Fix the pathing" See how that goes for you.


Unlike most of the mouth breathers on this forum, I actually try to describe what's wrong, and come up with solutions rather than scream "fix <problem>"


What if I am a nose breather?
 
taurran
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by David Stern

K, tell Bort to "Fix the pathing" See how that goes for you.


Unlike most of the mouth breathers on this forum, I actually try to describe what's wrong, and come up with solutions rather than scream "fix <problem>"


Jokes on you.

Bort has it good. People like you basically doing his job for free.
 
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
The common elusive back is almost non-viable without SA's at the high levels, unlike any other position in the game. I seriously do not think that applies to them and once again we will not see eye to eye no matter how much discussion. I respect your opinion but think you are dead wrong about the fact that quick cuts, cut backs, or any other type of cut(and a cut can be fake) should not be able to lead to a loss of balance.


Are you talking about high levels of SAs, or SAs at high levels of play?

I never said anything about loss of balance. Balance isn't affected by SA fakes afaik. Did Bort say otherwise?
 
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Originally posted by blln4lyf
What if I am a nose breather?


Then you are likely an inferior being.

Me and my other mouthbreathers got it right.
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by David Stern

Um, Make vision serve a purpose. Any purpose.


Vision does serve a purpose.

It allows you to take the best path.

We should fix the fact that the best path isn't the best path, rather than just nuke the entire idea and make it Carrying2.


We're in traffic trying to get home after a long day of work... We get a flat. Shit. That sucks. Throw on the spare to get you back on the road so you can at least get home. Replace the spare when you have either the time or money to put a legit tire back on the car.

Vision = Carrying2 = Spare tire = Getting you back on course or home.

Fixing Pathing = Replacing the tire.

Right now we just want to get home after a long days work. You can replace the tire when you have the time or money to do it. :/
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by jrry32

No, you are completely clueless. I don't think you read any of the discussion we just had with Bort. By losing their balance, I mean them shrinking. We just discussed them getting penalized to their tackling roll and some attributes after they have lost their balance.

Faking in GLB means something specific. It does not mean changing direction. You have been making yourself ridiculous by continually insisting that "fake" means something it obviously does not.

Originally posted by

Oh and Bolick, I recommend you not talk about things you have no idea about. Moody is not an elusive RB, he's a combo RB. He does have some nice juke moves but he is quite powerful and usually ends runs dragging defenders or plowing over a guy.

It's laughable that you even say this. Personally i had no idea that you were completely clueless about Florida's players given how much you obviously like talking about them. In fact, one of the most common criticisms about Moody in scouting circles is that he goes to such lengths in avoiding contact. He is actually very reluctant to put his head down and initiate contact to gain extra yards, not unlike Reggie Bush. But sure, let's take your word for it when you don't even know what the word "fake" means instead of listening to the guy who actually gets paid to evaluate college prospects.


It's laughable for you to claim that. You are full of crap. Purely full of crap. Moody seeks contact when it will gain him more yards and will avoid contact when it's better for him. I have watched EVERY game Moody has been in since he arrived at UF including the spring game, he does not avoid contact and is nothing like Reggie Bush. You are full of shit, I told you twice that there is a difference between real life fakes and GLB Fakes but nice job making up garbage to try and discredit me because you can't back up your point. To prove my point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPCQhijInAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gskafnbsEoU
I wish there were more college videos available to show you how wrong you are. In both videos, he avoids tacklers when it will gain him the most yards and takes on tacklers when it is the best way to gain yards. That's a combo RB.

Oh and to answer your first point, people refer to whenever a dot shrinks as them being faked out. Just like IRL when a guy lose his footing, people say the RB faked him out even if he changed direction. I explain to you already the difference between actual fakes and the phrasing. I figure you'll try to spout more about how I don't know what I am talking about but in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXofi-jEeOo
at 1:45 when Peterson makes a cutback move causing that safety to stumble and lose his balance, would they not say that safety got faked out despite Peterson just making a quick cutback move?
 
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Originally posted by taurran

Jokes on you.

Bort has it good. People like you basically doing his job for free.


No dude, they get Flex.
 
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