Originally posted by GoBrowns
Originally posted by po
Originally posted by GoBrowns
Originally posted by Modok
What this boils down to is Bort wouldnt allow a move if he thought everything was done in a kosher way. He has already gotten burned by the team moving and wouldn't risk it unless he thought it should be done.
Like I said earlier, I blame Bort and GLB for this. There should have been rules preventing this and there wasnt. The interesting thing is whether they use this to fix a problem that will only get worse....or ignore it like they do so many other things.
The problem we arent the only team to have ever given players contract that run out at seasons end due to an ownership change. Thats the only reason the contracts were done like that. At that point we become free agents, so by forcing us to move its basically saying
"as a free agent sign wherever you like, unless it makes that team appear loads better then other teams in the league that thought they had a chance to win it" If this was a level capped league i could understand all the comotion, but it isnt.
Yes but did those teams take 95% of the team to a new team in a much lower level?
I mean do you realize the can of worms this opens up?
This does nothing from two teams doing exactly what I said above and signing all their players to contracts ending on day 32 or 34 and jumping them to the other team.
I mean 5 to 6 players could make the difference between a championship and 4th place.
It also just sets the stage for any team that feels they cant hang in the pros any more and have a GM just get a team sit it out a year in the capped level and then bring in the cavalry, and just own and move right back up 2 or 3 levels for the next couple of seasons.
I mean I dont know if thats why you did this but it really doesnt matter. This opens up a whole mess of things that would blatantly be called cheating but what are you going to do?
This is why it was made that only 6 players pre season could go to the same team.
Of course there are loopholes, there are loopholes to everything. Its just a matter of wether or not its let go.
If it is thats fine, I know how I ll set up my playoff roster.
Would it be in the best interest of the game if everyone just had two teams and then combined them at playoff time due to them being magically FA at the end of the regular season?
We honestly didnt bring 95% of our roster over here. Plenty of guys decided they didnt want to make the trip and so they didnt. However those of us that did make the move had been assured there wasnt a problem with it as we were FA's. It would be absolute crap to go "ya know what, since people bitched about it were gonna force you guys to move"
We didnt make any changes to a roster during the season, all the season ending contracts were sent by July 4th which was well before we even knew of this team. Again think what you will but we didnt do a damn thing wrong.
I don't think anyone thinks you schemed this up. You guys seem like serious guys.
But just because it isn't wrong doesn't mean it's right.
As Po says, this sets a precedent saying "It's ok to go around the rules, if you are creative enough". And whether intentional or not, that is what we have here. You guys went around the existing rules. Do you want to stay here badly enough to set that precedent?
Originally posted by po
Originally posted by GoBrowns
Originally posted by Modok
What this boils down to is Bort wouldnt allow a move if he thought everything was done in a kosher way. He has already gotten burned by the team moving and wouldn't risk it unless he thought it should be done.
Like I said earlier, I blame Bort and GLB for this. There should have been rules preventing this and there wasnt. The interesting thing is whether they use this to fix a problem that will only get worse....or ignore it like they do so many other things.
The problem we arent the only team to have ever given players contract that run out at seasons end due to an ownership change. Thats the only reason the contracts were done like that. At that point we become free agents, so by forcing us to move its basically saying
"as a free agent sign wherever you like, unless it makes that team appear loads better then other teams in the league that thought they had a chance to win it" If this was a level capped league i could understand all the comotion, but it isnt.
Yes but did those teams take 95% of the team to a new team in a much lower level?
I mean do you realize the can of worms this opens up?
This does nothing from two teams doing exactly what I said above and signing all their players to contracts ending on day 32 or 34 and jumping them to the other team.
I mean 5 to 6 players could make the difference between a championship and 4th place.
It also just sets the stage for any team that feels they cant hang in the pros any more and have a GM just get a team sit it out a year in the capped level and then bring in the cavalry, and just own and move right back up 2 or 3 levels for the next couple of seasons.
I mean I dont know if thats why you did this but it really doesnt matter. This opens up a whole mess of things that would blatantly be called cheating but what are you going to do?
This is why it was made that only 6 players pre season could go to the same team.
Of course there are loopholes, there are loopholes to everything. Its just a matter of wether or not its let go.
If it is thats fine, I know how I ll set up my playoff roster.
Would it be in the best interest of the game if everyone just had two teams and then combined them at playoff time due to them being magically FA at the end of the regular season?
We honestly didnt bring 95% of our roster over here. Plenty of guys decided they didnt want to make the trip and so they didnt. However those of us that did make the move had been assured there wasnt a problem with it as we were FA's. It would be absolute crap to go "ya know what, since people bitched about it were gonna force you guys to move"
We didnt make any changes to a roster during the season, all the season ending contracts were sent by July 4th which was well before we even knew of this team. Again think what you will but we didnt do a damn thing wrong.
I don't think anyone thinks you schemed this up. You guys seem like serious guys.
But just because it isn't wrong doesn't mean it's right.
As Po says, this sets a precedent saying "It's ok to go around the rules, if you are creative enough". And whether intentional or not, that is what we have here. You guys went around the existing rules. Do you want to stay here badly enough to set that precedent?
