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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I want to stress to everyone that there are 50 ways to skin a cat, but only 1 way can be presented to Bort.

If we all agree on 1 change which is better than the current system, it gets changed and we win.

If we all argue about 35 slightly different versions of the 1 change, nothing will change. Things like dynamic league sizes, or putting half of all active teams in 1 league, are not actionable and are to decisive to ever reach consensus, so what are we doing here.

I think Tomcic's suggestions are a well thought out improvement and should be that version that is presented to Bort if everyone approves. Discussing slight deviations of it at this point isn't going to lead to anything exact a lack of change.

Fixed the description, thanks Wise.

Originally posted by dsl20
I have to disagree with you here TJ. War Machine got demoted, and they wouldn't be "thrown to the wolves" Jackals got demoted and beat Asau and OPT last season. The Mustangs are that same caliber, and others. Some 2nd tier teams (or underdogs) can hold their own.

I don't see how that's a disagreement. That's exactly my point.

Those teams you mentioned are top tier teams and should stay top tier instead of being forced to demote. They're demoting based mostly on RNG anyway.

War Machine was 1 Juke away from 10-6 and staying in CL
https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=35440&pbp_id=578044

Jackals lost 3 games by less than a TD, and like you said already beat playoff teams.

Just make CL dynamic, throw in 4+ teams every season. Lose a few to resets.

Have as many Pros as needed. 2 is as good a number as any.

And to Wise's point; That's exactly why I didn't vote. I don't see the proposed change as an improvement, but I'm not specifically against it either.

As Wise said we are either for option 1 or option 2 bickering over it nothing will get changed. I did vote already

Something I put in the notes of my vote (for option B, top tier being 2 Pro Leagues) that should at least be considered. Some of this has already been talked on this thread, but just to be concise...

1. Dynamic Pro Leagues / Divisions:
Having these be static could let to owners getting put in a "hard" division forever and lead to hopelessness and less fun. Shuffling each season will lead to more fun and more rivalries.


2. Not Allowing Teams to request division/league swaps within Pro:
As RC alluded to, the new system actually further incentivizes him and others to have 4 teams, one in each division, to maximize championship chances. It's fine for people to have more than 1 team, but when you let them choose to swap divisions/conferences/leagues within the same tier, you are gifting the best players in the game an additional advantage over the rest of us by ensuring they don't meet until the end of the playoffs.


3. Make DYNAMIC regular season results matter:
The problem with the current GLB regular season, is in each division 4/6 teams make the playoffs equally, and 2/6 teams demote equally. What will happen in the new system if we don't change regular season results, is most top tier teams are going to not gameplan for the regular season since it's automatic playoffs with zero incentive for a top seed. This results in less fun for everyone and honestly might make people get bored of and eventually quit GLB quicker than they otherwise would.

My suggestion would be...
#1 team gets bye week
#2 makes playoffs
#3 makes playoffs
#4 stays in Pro
#5 demotes
#6 demotes

Originally posted by dsl20
I have to disagree with you here TJ. War Machine got demoted, and they wouldn't be "thrown to the wolves" Jackals got demoted and beat Asau and OPT last season. The Mustangs are that same caliber, and others. Some 2nd tier teams (or underdogs) can hold their own.

agree - there are more than 12 teams that can compete in CL, but fewer than 24

I do not think Mauler is continuing after his teams hit decline, so that would knock 3 teams out unless he has a change of heart

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I like making it simple as "teams cannot request to swap leagues or conferences within the same tier, only team swaps to different tiers will be processed by support".

the only time I ever want to swap my teams is when I have 2 in 1 conference and none in the other - would rather have them split up to minimize games between my own teams

Originally posted by reddogrw
agree - there are more than 12 teams that can compete in CL, but fewer than 24

I do not think Mauler is continuing after his teams hit decline, so that would knock 3 teams out unless he has a change of heart

There are 11 good teams in AAA 1 alone. Not many are WIN gold at CL level but all are good enough to complete. Heck even with our build hiccups on Mayan a couple of seasons ago we had a big lead on you guys late in the game. 24 teams could definitely happen.

Go look down at AAA and you'll see tons of full, capable teams.

D-TOWN TIGERS
COLORADO REAPERS
NEBRASKA BLACKSHIRTS
PHILADELPHIA JAWNS
TEXAS TECH
LOUISVILLE CARDINALS
MIAMI RED HAWKS
BLACK SEA WASPS
LAOS CHAOS
ATHENS EMPIRE
MAYAN WARRIORS
MIDNIGHT MARAUDERS
I HUNT THEREFORE I AM
ROCKY MOUNTAIN COUGARS
SANTE FE SCORPIONS
CHAOS THEORY
ALABAMA TIDE

Now maybe a few of these are feeder teams, but that is 17 capable teams in AAA alone.

Originally posted by reddogrw
the only time I ever want to swap my teams is when I have 2 in 1 conference and none in the other - would rather have them split up to minimize games between my own teams

I understand why you/RC/Masked Singer Mauler do this (Sno and JJ did the same thing last season to get our DC in separate conferences). But my question is why should the rest of the game give you the advantage of allowing you to do this?

For example if there are 4 Pro conferences and RC has 4 Pro teams....
Scenario 1: all 4 teams get a lolz roll and end up in the same conference
Scenario 2: We allow RC league swap to put 1 team in each of 4 conferences

It is completely inarguable that Scenario 2 gives RC a significantly higher chance of winning a WL championship in a given season*. So by allowing league swaps, we are giving the best teams in the game a BETTER chances of winning than we would if we didn't allow these swaps.








*obv this is a hypothetical comparison, as in reality RC gets a 100% chance of WL ship in both scenario 1 and scenario 2 apparently.

The idea of all 4 playoff teams and not having to game plan until the League championship doesn't sound too bad either, though.

I would actually like my odds in Scenario 1 better there tbh. Won't have to show a real AI ~8 times in playoff games for everyone to scour through and find the weaknesses.

If you don't want to swap, then don't agree to the swap. It takes two to tango in that case for support to grant the swap. In the spirit of avoiding any collusion or cheating accusations/theories, I would simply split up teams owned by the same owner.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I understand why you/RC/Masked Singer Mauler do this (Sno and JJ did the same thing last season to get our DC in separate conferences). But my question is why should the rest of the game give you the advantage of allowing you to do this?

For example if there are 4 Pro conferences and RC has 4 Pro teams....
Scenario 1: all 4 teams get a lolz roll and end up in the same conference
Scenario 2: We allow RC league swap to put 1 team in each of 4 conferences

It is completely inarguable that Scenario 2 gives RC a significantly higher chance of winning a WL championship in a given season*. So by allowing league swaps, we are giving the best teams in the game a BETTER chances of winning than we would if we didn't allow these swaps.








*obv this is a hypothetical comparison, as in reality RC gets a 100% chance of WL ship in both scenario 1 and scenario 2 apparently.

many times it is 2 teams with the same situation fixing it for both

most swaps we have done have been with Mauler or RC

other than those 3 groups, there are only 7-8 other teams that can compete for a CL title

there is a reason that season 78 was the last season someone other than Mauler, RC and Tom-Red have won WL/CL

Originally posted by reddogrw




God how I loathe the arrogance of a few who play at the top of the game. There's a ton of good squads, owners and coordinators in that list and your reaction says it all.

If you have 24 or (32) teams in a PRO League

* Some will be dominant

* Some will compete with the dominant teams

* some will be mediocre

* some will lose more than they win

But if the games are 42 to 17 and not 255 to 0, what's it matter if some teams go 13-3 and others go 3-13. You can have a competitive league and not have everyone 8-8.

Yes the same few owners are going to win most of the time (or all) but still would be more fun to have 24 (32) teams duking it out.