Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Cybertron


Bottom line...you cannot compare this to RL because of the player size issue.

Sure I realize nothing is 1:1. It's not going to be its a video game sort of web browser game etc. But we also don't pass out axes and maces to people and I know that was suggested by quite a few in the early days though can't remember if that was GLB1 or GLB2.

So asking for some realism isn't necessarily a bad thing and basically they do have to walk a balance between fun and realism. I get no one wants a full slate of techniques for offensive lineman other than me and 4 or 5 other guys but hey I can live without that.

I'd say one of the more fun things to do is to emulate real life archtypes of players though and we just put highly skilled coverage safety which existed in GLB onto the endangered species list and certainly made him much weaker than his hard hitting cousin.

That didn't need to be done.

Originally posted by william78
Sure I realize nothing is 1:1. It's not going to be its a video game sort of web browser game etc. But we also don't pass out axes and maces to people and I know that was suggested by quite a few in the early days though can't remember if that was GLB1 or GLB2.

So asking for some realism isn't necessarily a bad thing and basically they do have to walk a balance between fun and realism. I get no one wants a full slate of techniques for offensive lineman other than me and 4 or 5 other guys but hey I can live without that.

I'd say one of the more fun things to do is to emulate real life archtypes of players though and we just put highly skilled coverage safety which existed in GLB onto the endangered species list and certainly made him much weaker than his hard hitting cousin.

That didn't need to be done.

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/349599

This safety had 8 KLs this season William. Things are going to be just fine.

Originally posted by ellix
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/349599

This safety had 8 KLs this season William. Things are going to be just fine.

Things are going to be just fine....without me.

They have been before will be again - you guy's will be fun and I'm sure Cdog is right its overwhelming popualr. I've said my peace and why I hate it so badly but as I've said its not for me on this path. I can deal with this season but as guys start to optimize the new set up - thanks but no thanks its so easily expoitable and I just don't want to watch that movie unfold.

Though next time if I could possibly get Cdog to send me one of those dancing bears singing go f-yourself in my inbox type meme's it would at least be appreciated you know a little heads up.

You make a lot of broad statements and complaints but never provide any specific suggestions to fix the problem. Go to discord and put in your suggestions.

Snap reaction, good route running, good physicals, strong-arm QB.

Zone isn’t going to get all that crazy Will, let’s be honest. Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and the ones that do aren’t going to change much if they’re already winning with what they know.

I do think KL is already mad annoying, but it’s exploitable in man too so that’s a slippery slope.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Snap reaction, good route running, good physicals, strong-arm QB.

Zone isn’t going to get all that crazy Will, let’s be honest. Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and the ones that do aren’t going to change much if they’re already winning with what they know.

I do think KL is already mad annoying, but it’s exploitable in man too so that’s a slippery slope.

I think it’s going to help open up both offensive and defensive playbook expansion. With variety of build strategies now.

Originally posted by Cybertron
You make a lot of broad statements and complaints but never provide any specific suggestions to fix the problem. Go to discord and put in your suggestions.

I've put in specific suggestions before, dozens in fact, - it's not about having my suggestion "rule the day", never has been.

That said, I just have zero interest in watching CBs hit like LBs and virtually every safety turn into legion of boom.

You disagree that's fine so do most people -its not about you or anyone else here, it's about me and what I enjoy, me calling it a wrap in 58 has nothing to do with you- it is just not for me and that's the point I passed on and why. I don't see the value in lying about how I see it just for the sake of harmony. It's not axes and maces, but if we are letting CBs and FSs ramp to 100 PT without a super massive tradeoff elsewhere in skills it just won't look like a football game to me at least not one that I play and think of football. Do you have to create them that way no of course not but you are now so heavily advntaged to its almost dot malpractice not to.

Originally posted by william78
- Zone Shark SA now works in any zone coverage, but its activation chance and level 1 & 2 duration have been reduced since it is now relevant essentially every play for a lot of players.

Power Tackling and Tackling Grip SP cost modifier reduced for CBs a bit. Point refunds for this will also be handled by a background script.

Cornerback salary values have been reduced to match those of LBs



........waiting to see how this turns out if it turns zone from slight advantage to insane will quickly follow Xars at the end of this season.

Edit: Actually looking at the numbers I'm not even really sure I want to see this season. This is gonna be really really ugly.

Not a big shocker to see where teams go - I mean Superstar CBs that hit like LBs pumping Zone Shark and knocking out balls left and right when intermediate passing was already a little low....seriously asking myself why I bother. I like diversity was excited for a new season and this is about as cookie cutter as it gets. I mean why would anyone play anything other than zone for a new team at this point?

I know this was a lot earlier in the thread (and I have read the posts after this) but I don't see it that way so I hope you don't "follow" me.

If you look at the data, Man is better against the Run and Zone is better against the Pass. With Vet team play calling averaging 60% Pass, Zone is a better "overall" D. But look what Brood did this past season. The Zone Pass Dominance is actually making the case for an All-Run Offense - weird right.

Because Bort and CDog want Balanced Offenses.

I'm waiting for a S* QB rushing O to be developed to take advantage of all the Zone D being played.

Anyway, you need to fix the CB issue first before you can fix the LB INT issue. Zone LB Ints are too high. Now maybe the previous Passing changes are enough when the new builds hit Vet, but maybe they aren't.

Zone D plays that have 10% Sacks and 10% Int can't work in this game. You'd need a 90% completion rate to even try. But Cover 3 isn't some God-send Defense in real Football and it shouldn't be in this game either.

But fixing everything is a process because when you make a change you have to see the intended effects and watch to see if you created any unintended ones.

Originally posted by Cybertron
I love the changes. Zone can now possibly be on par with man.



What GLB2 World have you been living in for the last few seasons?

It's better than Man against the Pass which is 60% of overall play calling at Vet.

Originally posted by Xars
What GLB2 World have you been living in for the last few seasons?

It's better than Man against the Pass which is 60% of overall play calling at Vet.



*Tcejorp S'diar, Tigers, and Brood might be ruining that % soon

Originally posted by Raid
*Tcejorp S'diar, Tigers, and Brood might be ruining that % soon

Originally posted by Xars


I'm waiting for a S* QB rushing O to be developed to take advantage of all the Zone D being played.


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Originally posted by Xars


Anyway, you need to fix the CB issue first before you can fix the LB INT issue. Zone LB Ints are too high. Now maybe the previous Passing changes are enough when the new builds hit Vet, but maybe they aren't.

Zone D plays that have 10% Sacks and 10% Int can't work in this game. You'd need a 90% completion rate to even try. But Cover 3 isn't some God-send Defense in real Football and it shouldn't be in this game either.

But fixing everything is a process because when you make a change you have to see the intended effects and watch to see if you created any unintended ones.



All good not following you out of the game because of anything you said. Has nothing to do with you, totally just about me. As you may recall I wasn't even really big on your proposed solution but that's not the issue. I don't really want CBs at ultra high power tackling and safties laying knockout hits as a routine course of action. It's not that you can't build a coverage FS anymore, certainly you can , but while they were running maybe 3-4% behind power builds in terms of optimum points usage I think that stretched now to 10-15% and that's the exact opposite direction of reality. 10-15% is more than enough to make a team non-competative if it's stetched across multiple positions. So it's less appealing to me as a user. I'm not sure why that's so hard for people to believe but that's simply it.

And other things basically it nukes almost any chance of a power WR being effective if he runs into power tackling CBs which are not really a thing. Plus there are a number of exploits I can see people developing that are really "unnatural" to the game of football , especailly as you look at optimizing CB3 positions to deal with the same of the outside run contain options.

Plus I'm pretty sure the receving TE buff was totally unnecessary - it's not like there are a derth of TE's catching the football certainly way more than either NFL or college football.

...I like realism I know it'll never be perfect and I realize these changes were popular with most of the user base, but that doesn't change the point that for me it's less appealing than it was before. Less appealing enough that I want to look at other hobby time options and I certainly dont' want to navigate through all the exploits that are going to bubble up with the changes.

Originally posted by Xars
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We just some run heavy bois

Why shouldn’t I be able to build a power tackling CB? You preach about diverse teams and personnel, yet you say I should only build 5’8” 170 lb, weak, quick, shutdown CBs?

I have always built, big strong all zone CBs. When I started, back in the day. everyone said I was nuts. It would never work. But I continued and finally proved the naysayers wrong.

The fun part of this game is building whatever kind of defense and offense that you want.

And yes, there is always sacrifice for taking certain skills. I pump power tackle and sacrifice speed on my corners. Because they play in a zone and don’t need much speed.

Originally posted by Cybertron
Why shouldn’t I be able to build a power tackling CB? You preach about diverse teams and personnel, yet you say I should only build 5’8” 170 lb, weak, quick, shutdown CBs?

I have always built, big strong all zone CBs. When I started, back in the day. everyone said I was nuts. It would never work. But I continued and finally proved the naysayers wrong.

The fun part of this game is building whatever kind of defense and offense that you want.

And yes, there is always sacrifice for taking certain skills. I pump power tackle and sacrifice speed on my corners. Because they play in a zone and don’t need much speed.

Still has nothing to do with "you". Nor, obviously, do I think every CB should be a 125lbs weakling that isn't football either. Most of my corners are actually bigger too but there is a difference between physical and knockout specalists which is where this is headed.

There is a reason the game doesn't generally allow 320lbs Nost tackles with 100 sprint without a major major trade off in other activities.

So sure it's diverstiy but is it realistic to football diversity? I can't think of a single NFL corner that actually hits on par with LBs. That's one of the things I enjoy that it looks like a football game its personal to me in the way I enjoy it and its ok that its different for you , but by the same token its not really what I feel I signed up for.

And as you've pointed out you don't really pay a real tax (zone or otherwise) consistently for taking speed off the corners no QB in GLB can consistently hit the 9 route enough to make that sacrafice realistic and it just got easier , much easier to pump strength ignore speed. As I was saying most people to seem to enjoy it - I won't be one to me it won't be football or moving in the right direction its rollerberby or something akin to it.

That's the basis of my criticism and why I don't think its for me anymore.