Warrior General Games

If you look at my retired players you can see the many pickup HBs I've built, I've literally watched almost every single snap of every one of their careers - because I wanted to know exactly what makes them tick. I continue to do so, because frankly it keeps my mind off other shit in my down time, but also because I still learn stupid shit. I spend WAY too much time watching replays.

Originally posted by Raid
Actually missed ankle tackles don't count towards broken tackle totals, neither do just straight up 'missed' tackles. If the HB doesn't budge when the defender dives chances are it doesn't count as a stat, still breaks you free all the same.

how do you quantify balance is working for those things if they arent measured as anything by the game?

Originally posted by Raid
I spend WAY too much time watching replays.

I was impressed with your attention to detail when you played for the Detroit Vikings.

I would be happy to have one of your HBs on any team I coach.

My HB from Natural Disasters did pretty well and had a great overall run avg.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/234822

Originally posted by dlcurt
My HB from Natural Disasters did pretty well and had a great overall run avg.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/234822

I can vouche for that, my WWMI team had a pretty darn good rush defense. And yet Landslide always had a good game against us.

Originally posted by bhall43
how do you quantify balance is working for those things if they arent measured as anything by the game?

watching replays, you can see the tackles get broken even if you notice that they aren't counting towards the totals.

I noticed it on Hype originally, counted 17 broken tackles in a game and saw 7 on the stat line - I posted about it in the forums after I figured out it was the diving attempts that were missed, and bort even made a comment about upping the way that footwork helped to break 'indirect' tackles as he called them.


I spend way too much time watching replays.

But how do you know that balance increase these uncounted broken tackles?

One of the way I use pickups is to bring a build to completion but leave a skill I want to test low, then spend his time at vet adding small increments to the skill every 5-10 games to see an effect - if I see a correlation with replays I try to recreate the experiment again for my next pickup and repeat the process to get a bigger sample size.

Rinse and repeat for most skills I had a question mark around and now I'm going over things I thought I had a good grasp on to make sure THEY do what I thought they did and I'm still learning crap.

This game is a convoluted mess btw, I could tell you all the secrets of combo building but no one would believe half the shit I'd tell them because the game is a mess. It's a beautiful fun mess, but a mess.

You know how Bort does things like, if the screen game is working too well instead of trying to fix it he'll just make HBs fall down more often requiring a much higher investment in balance? Or how instead of trying to fix how the interaction of CBs and WRs was leaning way too far WR side by adding an EXPONENTIAL bonus to defenders ability to intercept the ball?

That's not just a fix on the top end, the entire game is MADE like this. It's amazing when you start delving into it.


Also, from this testing I do know that balance does have a concrete effect on power running in one area specifically, stiff arm.

Stiff arm's fire rate is raised a small amount by getting about 30 and a decent amount at 45. It then has a very small bump at 50-60 and not much benefit above that. But again, not worth it on a powerback - more for a comboback.

Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
But how do you know that balance increase these uncounted broken tackles?

I unintentionally answered your question by going into details again in my next post.

Originally posted by dcarbo


I was impressed with your attention to detail when you played for the Detroit Vikings.

I would be happy to have one of your HBs on any team I coach.



I've not committed my next free player to anyone and Chicken is at vet right now - want a S* for your next reset?

Originally posted by Raid
Also, from this testing I do know that balance does have a concrete effect on power running in one area specifically, stiff arm.

Stiff arm's fire rate is raised a small amount by getting about 30 and a decent amount at 45. It then has a very small bump at 50-60 and not much benefit above that. But again, not worth it on a powerback - more for a comboback.

i guess we are to take your word for it? because as usual you are posting things as a fact without actually posting any form of facts to verify any of this bs, lol

i mean, do you at least understand why that style of response gets you a lot of criticism?

Originally posted by Sov.
i guess we are to take your word for it? because as usual you are posting things as a fact without actually posting any form of facts to verify any of this bs, lol

i mean, do you at least understand why that style of response gets you a lot of criticism?

In other words, it sounds like SOV would rather see you create a HB. Get it to PRO or VET with all points applied except balance and open build, Post say 5 game links of your HB with no balance, then show the change in adding 5 points to balanced and another 5 consecutive games, rinse and repeat till balance gets to these said numbers that show the improvements.

Correct SOV?

would like to see something concrete. xars fb was pretty eye opening. and now you look around at the top several backs in pro and vet and see the results.

Originally posted by Sov.
i guess we are to take your word for it? because as usual you are posting things as a fact without actually posting any form of facts to verify any of this bs, lol

i mean, do you at least understand why that style of response gets you a lot of criticism?

Take it as you want, I do this for myself and I tend to keep records in notepad then overwrite. I have the numbers on a forum somewhere about the balance and stiff arm, though only the first run through, second test confirmed the same idea. 45 is the sweet spot for a stiff-arm back.

But I do understand, and it's why I normally keep quiet. Sorry.

I went to go look up the info I'd made before, and defoa did some cleaning in the Pirates forum and I'm pretty sure that's where it was - so it's gone now... sorry.

But the rate was not phenominal to begin with, 45 balance showed about a 15% increase in broken tackles from stiff arm on a 55 power running back with 75 sprinting and 55/45 footwork/quickness. So worth the investment only for stiff arm in my opinion and the extra help on 'indirect' tackles - just not worth it for a powerback with low mobility.