Warrior General Games

Originally posted by foofighter24
Because it is not a part of our culture. The nation is too large and diverse. Illegal immigration problems.

Handful of straws.

Originally posted by Corndog
Handful of straws.

How about I tell you about why I don't want it?

I believe in personal responsibility. I don't believe I should have to pay for the end game of your lifetime of drug abuse. Plus, I believe the quality of the care I receive will suffer.

Please tell me why I should be forced to subsidize someone else's care? And before you answer that I already do, consider that I would endorse changing that.

I think that if I don't agree with a law, I shouldn't have to obey it.

I think that my morality should make it legally OK to do anything I want, and that at the same time, my morality should apply to punishing or rewarding others for their actions.

I don't understand anyone would not think exactly like me, and it angers and confuses me.

Guess my name.

Originally posted by foofighter24

Please tell me why I should be forced to subsidize someone else's care?

Tell me foo - were you educated as a child? Do you use public infrastructure? Anything like that? If you have - well why should it extend only that far and not to health? Because we call one national insurance and the other tax?

Originally posted by foofighter24
How about I tell you about why I don't want it?

I believe in personal responsibility. I don't believe I should have to pay for the end game of your lifetime of drug abuse. Plus, I believe the quality of the care I receive will suffer.

Please tell me why I should be forced to subsidize someone else's care? And before you answer that I already do, consider that I would endorse changing that.

Of course.

Until you can't pay your bill, and then you're like the idiot in the OP.

Originally posted by EmpYllek
Tell me foo - were you educated as a child? Do you use public infrastructure? Anything like that? If you have - well why should it extend only that far and not to health? Because we call one national insurance and the other tax?

Somewhere on his electric bill he is being charged for infrastructure maintenance, that must piss him off as well. Why should he pay for maintenance of transformers for people who don't share his genetic or ideological makeup?

It's really easy to say you don't believe in safety nets when you're standing on the ground.

Originally posted by Corndog
It's really easy to say you don't believe in safety nets when you're standing on the ground.

.....and you've never left the ground

Originally posted by seths99
.....and you've never left the ground

I've got a peaceful, easy feeling...

Originally posted by Cowpoker
I get that you are being sarcastic but why do we need a sign up for anything to help people ? There shouldn't be a deadline, there shouldn't be a government form, there shouldn't be a level of enforcement/additional tax fee for non participation, there shouldn't be an opportunity for politicians to argue or use misfortune to sell an agenda.

If someone could use some help, just F'ing help them. I'll go out on a limb and say that it would probably be cheaper.

So...universal health care?

Originally posted by Cowpoker
Is that what the GOP is going with ? By that logic, public school systems are socialism.
Why do you think Republicans have such a huge boner for charter schools right now?


Originally posted by Cowpoker
Didn't we basically have universal care prior to ACA?

Any scenario in which eyedrops cost $300 out of pocket (as was the case for me) even when I was under my parents' insurance isn't universal health care.

Originally posted by foofighter24
Tell me again why anyone believes universal healthcare would work in America?

Probably because health "insurance," much like public "education," is unsustainable in its current form in this country, and something needs to be done.

Originally posted by foofighter24
How about I tell you about why I don't want it?

I believe in personal responsibility. I don't believe I should have to pay for the end game of your lifetime of drug abuse. Plus, I believe the quality of the care I receive will suffer.

Please tell me why I should be forced to subsidize someone else's care? And before you answer that I already do, consider that I would endorse changing that.

Maybe I'm too much of an idealist, but a lifetime of drug abuse might be stopped if a person who is suffering from addiction can freely walk into a hospital, get some medications and a detox, and walk out the door. Certainly cheaper than having a bunch of trips to the ER for a stomach pumping.

We should be focusing on preventative care, not reacting to shit when it hits the fan.

Also, personal responsibility has nothing to do with paying egregious hospital bills, especially when insurance companies don't understand their own responsibilities as a health care insurance provider.

Originally posted by Lurchy
IF they sign up for Obama's Affordable Stupidity Act by December 31st, 2015.

ASA Achilles heel located.

Originally posted by EmpYllek
Tell me foo - were you educated as a child? Do you use public infrastructure? Anything like that? If you have - well why should it extend only that far and not to health? Because we call one national insurance and the other tax?

Because they are different things?

Why don't we extend it to food and housing, based on that logic?

Originally posted by foofighter24

Why don't we extend it to food and housing, based on that logic?
To a certain extent, I don't see the problem with that. In practice, that would probably be a nightmare, though.