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Originally posted by Parab00n
So you want to cherry pick certain games to skew the numbers? Seems a bit hypocritical...

considering that every games defense will dictate how i run the offense i dont see it as cherry picking considering im including all games. hell its just common sense that if the defense plugs the middle you arent going to run up the middle if you want to win.

Argument doesn't work very well USC.


I know from experience...last season and before, when I saw someone running a garbage GL defense...I loaded up on GL HB Sweeps.

When someone was running a good defense in GL - I'd limit it to off tackle stuff.

Does that somehow mean I didn't cash in on the GL HB Sweeps? No - it means I cashed in everytime there was an opportunity to cash in.

Originally posted by TxSteve
Argument doesn't work very well USC.


I know from experience...last season and before, when I saw someone running a garbage GL defense...I loaded up on GL HB Sweeps.

When someone was running a good defense in GL - I'd limit it to off tackle stuff.

Does that somehow mean I didn't cash in on the GL HB Sweeps? No - it means I cashed in everytime there was an opportunity to cash in.



problem is people dont get it, they are ready to foam at the mouth calling foul but as you and i both know pure run offense isnt as black and white as people point out and defenses will dictate how we run. I just think its stupid people expect me to run right into their defense because they dont like a play. Hell they could gimp the outside plays from gl to only work if teams stack the box for all i care I just dont like how they striped goal line to make it very difficult to use without gimping the offense.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
problem is people dont get it, they are ready to foam at the mouth calling foul but as you and i both know pure run offense isnt as black and white as people point out and defenses will dictate how we run. I just think its stupid people expect me to run right into their defense because they dont like a play. Hell they could gimp the outside plays from gl to only work if teams stack the box for all i care I just dont like how they striped goal line to make it very difficult to use without gimping the offense.

It is you that doesn't get it. GL HB Blast wasn't a staple of your offense. You ran it 53 times all season. That is 53 times out of 862 GL calls in a season. That isn't a staple. It is using it where it fit. Like me calling a HB Dive as a passing team. There were games you didn't call it even one single time. That isn't a staple.

Nobody is foaming at the mouth calling foul either. I don't blame you for using any of those plays. Everyone did. You are the one trying to act like these plays weren't a staple of your offense. They were. And that is fine. All that being said, I don't know why you felt the need to go that route after your original stance was that taking away those plays made things difficult. Which clearly it was the right move. The people who leaned heavily on those plays to win are now figuring out other ways to win. Teams like yourself and Stunners are doing just fine.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
problem is people dont get it, they are ready to foam at the mouth calling foul but as you and i both know pure run offense isnt as black and white as people point out and defenses will dictate how we run. I just think its stupid people expect me to run right into their defense because they dont like a play. Hell they could gimp the outside plays from gl to only work if teams stack the box for all i care I just dont like how they striped goal line to make it very difficult to use without gimping the offense.

I hear what you're saying.

Would just be more accurate to say "I abused the outside GL run stuff when I could...just like everybody else who could abuse it...did abuse it"

Rather than kind of seeming to be pretending that you really didn't run it much.

Just to put our data out there.

Season 9 Stunners:

2209 total plays from scrimmage in ladder/league/playoff
23,856 total yards (yes, 10.8 yards per carry - NERF RUNNING!)

GL HB Sweep was our most commonly run outside run (didn't compare to inside runs)
totalling:

202 rushes for 2929 yards (14.5 yards per carry).

So we ran GL HB Sweep 9.14% of our plays for 12.27% of our rushing yards.


Was it a staple of our offense?

Based on the statistics: not really...only ran it 1 out of 10 plays
Based on reality: yes - we abused the crap out of that play because so many teams had a hard time stopping it no matter what play they ran.

Originally posted by TxSteve
I hear what you're saying.

Would just be more accurate to say "I abused the outside GL run stuff when I could...just like everybody else who could abuse it...did abuse it"

Rather than kind of seeming to be pretending that you really didn't run it much.


it wasnt if i could abuse it i could, it was everyone is running 4-4s and 5-2s to keep me from running off tackle i need some outside runs incase offtackle gets stuffed. I saw a formation with more than 2 cbs twice in all games last season. Id be stupid not to run outside considering everyone basically was stacking the inside on us.

Copying what steve did a couple posts up.

2277 plays for 19,024 yards for 8.4 yards per carry

Gl sweep 221 times for 2,541.5 yards 11.5 ypc for 13.35% of our total yards

best ypc play: qb rollout strong at 14.9 yards per carry
most total yards of offense: gl offtackle 2545.4 yards or 13.37% of our offense
best big play % ps weak at 50%
best 1st down % di weak 60%

% inside and outside 1341 inside for 58.89% and 986 times outside for 41.11% (added offtackle to inside cause i dont really count it as outside)

So you only ran it when people made you run it...otherwise you wouldn't have run it? It was their fault because they made you?

GL Sweep was your 2nd most commonly run outside play in season 9 - 221 /11.5
GL QB roll out was your 4th - 157 / 14.9
GL QB roll out weak was your 5th - 141 / 7.6

Total yards from these 3 plays: 5951
Total inside running yards: 6229
Total outside running yards from OTHER plays: 6844

Those 3 plays brought in almost exactly as much yardage as your TOTAL inside running offense last season (5951 vs 6229)

You ran 16 different plays on offense in all of last season (holy crap...you are a spammer!). Those 3 plays accounted for fully 1/3 of your offense.


I'm not saying there is ANYTHING WRONG with you running them. I'm not saying it diminishes your accomplishments. I'm not saying you're cheesy. Everything you did was fine -- as it was exactly what about anyone else would have done.

But to say those plays were not a "staple" in your offense is simply dishonest.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
I saw a formation with more than 2 cbs twice in all games last season.

well ya...welcome to the world of 100% running...surely you're not complaining that people game planned for you again are you??

You saw a formation with more than 2 CB's all season simply because plays like Edge Buzz 2, Cat Blitz 2 roll, etc are comically bad plays to run against GL. As you should know considering you got hammered by Queen City trying it. That had nothing to do with your impressive use of inside runs, people just aren't that crazy to surrender the entire inside like that.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
problem is people dont get it, they are ready to foam at the mouth calling foul but as you and i both know pure run offense isnt as black and white as people point out and defenses will dictate how we run. I just think its stupid people expect me to run right into their defense because they dont like a play. Hell they could gimp the outside plays from gl to only work if teams stack the box for all i care I just dont like how they striped goal line to make it very difficult to use without gimping the offense.

Or maybe you don't get to use a formation that is built for short yardage on all downs?

I don't mind if you get to use the GL outside or GL inside plays, I just don't think you should get to use them except on 3rd or 4th (sometimes y) and less than a yard.

Originally posted by Xars
Play: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/174888/1008012

S* QB and S* WR. Watch the hip turn. It happens all the time. Now that said, this play can't be auto-TD every time either, but it should generate more YAC than zero. The offset should be that the trailing CB has more Speed and the FS needs to stop rolling to the outside man and instead play the deepest WR in the zone (with more cushion). This is a 16 yard play with no YAC. Their should have been more YAC. But if you just increase the YAC without increasing CB coverage ability then you really OP Passing.

It's 3 pages in. The thread derailment statue of limitations has expired.


http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/174888/1008678

The guy is wide open unlike the other two with the hip motion you dislike. Easier to catch and run than it is in traffic. When you find one where the receiver is wide open and it's not a long ass pass, then you can convince people. But as of now, like I previously stated, it just looks like the receivers are showing that they posses even the slightest bit of common sense.

I don't think he needs much to convince people there is something wrong. If you watch enough games you begin to feel the frustration of players stopping mid route to come back to the ball despite pretty good pass power skills. Meanwhile watching the floaters from sub 30 pass power guys every now and then look like a beautiful deep thrown pass in stride. Puss arms are a double edge sword in a DC's back. They give WR's the edge underneath and somehow over the top at the same time.

For what it's worth, INHS heavily toned down on GL rushes our last 2 seasons before the removal