Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Rob.
Your tactics are screwed up. There are no certainties based on how you set them up.

What do you mean?

Originally posted by Rob.
You are calling run defenses, but putting your tactics in the pass defense boxes, of course things are going to come out wacky.

How does one differentiate between Medium and short Outside Runs? I don't think this works like you are claiming. If it did there was no reason to put Medium in front of Strong Shift.

Also I need to put %'s into Long because 4 of 6 of my packages have a long play call.

Originally posted by bhall43
What do you mean?

How about explaining what you are trying to do and I might have a solution.

fwiw putting 25% into the Medium category got Strong Shift to fire more often than when it was 0% and Mike Inside Fire was called considerably less often doing it that way over 50% Long/50% Outside.

Originally posted by bhall43
How does one differentiate between Medium and short Outside Runs? I don't think this works like you are claiming. If it did there was no reason to put Medium in front of Strong Shift.

Also I need to put %'s into Long because 4 of 6 of my packages have a long play call.

Not tested this, so it may not work like I'm claiming. If you put 100% Medium and 100% Outside Rush that Medium Outside Rush defense should get called every time instead of the short ones. Just putting 100% outside and leaving Short and Medium at 0% should get all 3 called equally or close to equal depending on RNG.

Originally posted by Rob.
How about explaining what you are trying to do and I might have a solution.

2 WR Package

Medium 2WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense

3 WR Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense
Long 2-5WR Pass Zone Defense

4 WR Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense
Long 2-5WR Pass Zone Defense

Big Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense
Long 2-5WR Pass Zone Defense

GL Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Pass/Run Man Defense

I don't care what is used anywhere besides short yardage. Then it has to be Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense

Originally posted by bhall43
So I ran the same collection of plays using this method this time

25 Short/25 Medium/50 Long 0 Inside/100 Outside

Mike Inside fire fired about 3 times all together (not including short yardage of course being the reason it is there) and it was almost exclusively the other plays used.

As far as this goes, I'm not for sure why it would get called at all since 100% outside should ensure at least 1 of those outside rush plays gets called.....unless the 50% Long 100% Outside combo is throwing it off by not matching anything.

Originally posted by bhall43
2 WR Package

Medium 2WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense

3 WR Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense
Long 2-5WR Pass Zone Defense

4 WR Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense
Long 2-5WR Pass Zone Defense

Big Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense
Long 2-5WR Pass Zone Defense

GL Package

Short 0WR Outside Run Man Defense
Short 1-2WR Pass/Run Man Defense

I don't care what is used anywhere besides short yardage. Then it has to be Short 1-2WR Inside Run Man Defense

I think you should remove the outside rush defense from everything besides 2 WR and set it to 100% outside and 100% zone. You'll get your outside call for sure in the 2 WR set and should get the Long play called in the other formations.

I'll run some tests when I get home.

Originally posted by Parab00n
I think you should remove the outside rush defense from everything besides 2 WR and set it to 100% outside and 100% zone. You'll get your outside call for sure in the 2 WR set and should get the Long play called in the other formations.

You mean the inside rush defense from everything except 2 wr?

At this point I think my best bet is just not using an inside rush defense against 2 WR and leaving it as is. It is the only set that has any sort of problem. I think it is funny that Medium doesn't seem to set off Mike Inside Fire for any other formation though.

These problems you were experiencing make total sense. Its looking for the exact combo of Long + Outside. It doesn't exist so it goes by play frequency. That's the issue of calling pass + run percentages together.

Now if you put in some short % + medium % + outside, both of those things exist in the playbook. So it does the short vs medium rolls.

If there are no short plays in that playbook section, it'll correctly call the medium outside when that's the medium roll. If the short roll hits, and there are no short outside plays (doesn't matter if its short inside or short run/pass), then it'll go by play frequency.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
These problems you were experiencing make total sense. Its looking for the exact combo of Long + Outside. It doesn't exist so it goes by play frequency. That's the issue of calling pass + run percentages together.

Now if you put in some short % + medium % + outside, both of those things exist in the playbook. So it does the short vs medium rolls.

If there are no short plays in that playbook section, it'll correctly call the medium outside when that's the medium roll. If the short roll hits, and there are no short outside plays (doesn't matter if its short inside or short run/pass), then it'll go by play frequency.

You do bring up a valid point in play frequency. I should probably have Mike Inside Fire at a frequency of 1 considering the only time I want it called is when I use exactly Inside Run 100%. That would probably solve a lot of issues I bet.

Yup. It'll burn you every now and then. But if you have enough outside plays set at 5 frequency to decrease the inside play odds, then the rare chance it does get called when you don't want is something you can live with.

So Strong Side Shift will not call unless there is something in Medium.

Went with same play calls and used 50% Outside/50% Zone (everything else 0). I also put Mike Inside Fire at a frequency of 1. But now I am not getting Strong Side Shift at all. Not even once.