Warrior General Games

Funny - I was just wondering the same thing earlier today looking at my DT's.

I figured there must be some kind of penalty to the tackling roll when engaged..or when someone else is trying to engage you.

Originally posted by Parab00n
I have 2 DTs that do a decent job of fighting off blocks, but both miss a ton of tackles. I've opened both builds for people to tell me why the suck so bad at tackling.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/77111
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/77112

Balance?

They are also getting pancaked alot more than doing the pancaking.

Originally posted by Parab00n
I have 2 DTs that do a decent job of fighting off blocks, but both miss a ton of tackles. I've opened both builds for people to tell me why the suck so bad at tackling.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/77111
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/77112

I'm in the same boat.

Got a guy who will tear through the line, get to the ball carrier, and face plant.

I've been thinking balance for a while now, but thus far it hasn't paid dividends.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
They are also getting pancaked alot more than doing the pancaking.

I noticed that too. You should have enough tackle tech and grip for the time being to tackle fairly well, but for some reason it looks as though hes just getting beaten up. They're unable to get off blocks.

BRB seems like it should be enough... maybe more blitz awareness to notice a run faster?

check this build:
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/65816

Originally posted by Aeir
I noticed that too. You should have enough tackle tech and grip for the time being to tackle fairly well, but for some reason it looks as though hes just getting beaten up. They're unable to get off blocks.

BRB seems like it should be enough... maybe more blitz awareness to notice a run faster?

Blitz awareness never comes into play during running plays, correct? I mean for D Linemen...not LBs or DBs. Or are D-Linemen always blitzing the QB?

Originally posted by Parab00n
I have 2 DTs that do a decent job of fighting off blocks, but both miss a ton of tackles. I've opened both builds for people to tell me why the suck so bad at tackling.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/77111
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/77112

How's their in-game morale? With low heart, low-ish toughness, and the fact that they're getting destroyed in the passing game, I think morale spirals might have something to do with it.

My DT misses a ton of tackles too, more so than LBs and SS with similar tackling skills. I think it has to do with the fact the HB has a ton of momentum and the DT doesn't have any as he breaks a block and grabs on for dear life. My guy has eerily similar tackling numbers outside of power tackling.

Originally posted by mrm708
My run stopping DT makes a huge difference. When they do shed their block (rarely due to the SA but just because of high BRB) and make a tackle that play alone can shut down a drive. He often gets a hold of the RB as well which allows the LB and/or safety to come in and complete the tackle.

When watching games, how often does that happen against similar competition given the 90+ BRB and gold shed block commitment?

That's why all my DT's were built with heavy pass rush skills, doesn't happen often enough against top competition, even when the Shed block SA activates, the DT just re-engages the blocker most of the time.

Usually most of the time, Guards and Centers don't have a similar investment in run block technique given the counterpart BRB investment, I'd understand if the DT had 40 BRB and the Center had 90 run block technique but that's rarely the case.

Note: My comments are based off of if you are a #5 ladder team and you are playing against the #3 ladder team, not season long stats when almost half the stats and film is based off cupcakes. You can argue that hall of fame depends on who takes advantage more of the gimme league games to run up the stats.

Originally posted by pottsman
How's their in-game morale? With low heart, low-ish toughness, and the fact that they're getting destroyed in the passing game, I think morale spirals might have something to do with it.

Originally posted by pottsman
How's their in-game morale? With low heart, low-ish toughness, and the fact that they're getting destroyed in the passing game, I think morale spirals might have something to do with it.

Unsure, but he misses 1-2 tackles every game. You would think if it was morale based that it wouldn't happen all the time.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Unsure, but he misses 1-2 tackles every game. You would think if it was morale based that it wouldn't happen all the time.

I checked one of their games with 2 missed tackles and they had good morale on both missed tackles. Not conclusive, but I don't think it's a morale thing.

I see a lot of defensive tackles with missed tackles, which leads me to believe something is broken. May it have something to do with momentum? Generally when they go for a tackle they aren't moving forward or they are moving forward but without much momentum.

Originally posted by Rob.
I checked one of their games with 2 missed tackles and they had good morale on both missed tackles. Not conclusive, but I don't think it's a morale thing.

I see a lot of defensive tackles with missed tackles, which leads me to believe something is broken. May it have something to do with momentum? Generally when they go for a tackle they aren't moving forward or they are moving forward but without much momentum.

I think momentum is the main reason D-linemen miss so many tackles.

Originally posted by Rob.
I checked one of their games with 2 missed tackles and they had good morale on both missed tackles. Not conclusive, but I don't think it's a morale thing.

I see a lot of defensive tackles with missed tackles, which leads me to believe something is broken. May it have something to do with momentum? Generally when they go for a tackle they aren't moving forward or they are moving forward but without much momentum.

Couple thoughts:

Poor to Medium Pursuit and Awareness could cause him to find the rusher late and terrible diving could leave him out of range. I may pump both Awareness and Pursuit to Max to see how he does.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Blitz awareness never comes into play during running plays, correct? I mean for D Linemen...not LBs or DBs. Or are D-Linemen always blitzing the QB?

DLineman always start by Blitzing. That's why there are solid red lines on each of the plays.

Blitz Awareness is used to get the DLineman to start utilizing their Run D skills. So a Run Stufer DT needs a lot higher Blitz Awareness than a Pass Rusher DT.

Mr. Reliable already stealth nerfed? Anyone else have the suspicion?