Originally posted by Xavori
He was prolly drunk and trying to get you to buy him another beer.
That may be the case, but he wasn't wrong.
He was prolly drunk and trying to get you to buy him another beer.
That may be the case, but he wasn't wrong.
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Originally posted by Parab00n
This is where they shut that play down last season??? 6.5 YPC?? You didn't lose because they shut it down, you lost because you didn't run it enough.
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I couldn't run it more. I tested this in scrims and usually by the 4th quarter our QB's stamina was so burned we were getting almost all TFL's. This happens even now.
I have to have the second QB, Tim, because while he's not as good as Quincy at the sweep, Quincy is better at the sweep with him on the team. On top of that, Tim has a bunch of plays where he breaks 50+ TD's out of QB Slam and even a couple out of QB Sneak. In a perfect sim for offense (that would truly suck for defense), I could pick and choose which QB ran which of the QB runs I have in my book.
Notice all the TFL's in there on QB runs?
Contrast that with Archibald Fustrum's, one of Yorick's HB's, carries in our most recent game: 3, 0 49 + TD, 2, 4, 4, 1 + TD, 1, 5, and 33 + TD. Laertes, another of my HB's also had no tackles for loss and a couple big TD runs including a 75 yarder.
So HB's. Fewer tackles for loss (none in that game). Same big play ability.
Nobody is trying to get them nerfed.
This is where they shut that play down last season??? 6.5 YPC?? You didn't lose because they shut it down, you lost because you didn't run it enough.
Answers based on my experience...
I couldn't run it more. I tested this in scrims and usually by the 4th quarter our QB's stamina was so burned we were getting almost all TFL's. This happens even now.
I have to have the second QB, Tim, because while he's not as good as Quincy at the sweep, Quincy is better at the sweep with him on the team. On top of that, Tim has a bunch of plays where he breaks 50+ TD's out of QB Slam and even a couple out of QB Sneak. In a perfect sim for offense (that would truly suck for defense), I could pick and choose which QB ran which of the QB runs I have in my book.
Notice all the TFL's in there on QB runs?
Contrast that with Archibald Fustrum's, one of Yorick's HB's, carries in our most recent game: 3, 0 49 + TD, 2, 4, 4, 1 + TD, 1, 5, and 33 + TD. Laertes, another of my HB's also had no tackles for loss and a couple big TD runs including a 75 yarder.
So HB's. Fewer tackles for loss (none in that game). Same big play ability.
Nobody is trying to get them nerfed.
Xavori
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Originally posted by kirincnj
That may be the case, but he wasn't wrong.
No. He was wrong.
Smart people come in lots of flavors just like dumb people and average people.
There are smart people who sit quietly in corners. There are smart people who don't feel modesty is a virtue and while they don't walk into a room announcing their IQ, also don't try to hide their intelligence just to make others feel better about themselves.
I'm not a fan of participation ribbons. I'm a big fan of people finding out what they're good at, and it isn't always IQ related nor does it have to be to be useful.
That may be the case, but he wasn't wrong.
No. He was wrong.
Smart people come in lots of flavors just like dumb people and average people.
There are smart people who sit quietly in corners. There are smart people who don't feel modesty is a virtue and while they don't walk into a room announcing their IQ, also don't try to hide their intelligence just to make others feel better about themselves.
I'm not a fan of participation ribbons. I'm a big fan of people finding out what they're good at, and it isn't always IQ related nor does it have to be to be useful.
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Originally posted by bhall43
lol right? Hey guys the spread playbook is way more OP than GL QB Rollout Strong!
If the other QB outside runs worked, I'm pretty sure QB Rollout Strong wouldn't get used as much as it does.
So is that it? Is it because it's just one play?
I mean, if you want, I can start spamming a couple of the HB plays and get pretty much the same results, especially if you give me another half season to get them their running skills that I kinda neglected last season making them into lead blockers.
lol right? Hey guys the spread playbook is way more OP than GL QB Rollout Strong!
If the other QB outside runs worked, I'm pretty sure QB Rollout Strong wouldn't get used as much as it does.
So is that it? Is it because it's just one play?
I mean, if you want, I can start spamming a couple of the HB plays and get pretty much the same results, especially if you give me another half season to get them their running skills that I kinda neglected last season making them into lead blockers.
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Originally posted by Xavori
Contrast that with Archibald Fustrum's, one of Yorick's HB's, carries in our most recent game: 3, 0 49 + TD, 2, 4, 4, 1 + TD, 1, 5, and 33 + TD. Laertes, another of my HB's also had no tackles for loss and a couple big TD runs including a 75 yarder.
So HB's. Fewer tackles for loss (none in that game). Same big play ability.
Nobody is trying to get them nerfed.
Contrast that with Archibald Fustrum's, one of Yorick's HB's, carries in our most recent game: 3, 0 49 + TD, 2, 4, 4, 1 + TD, 1, 5, and 33 + TD. Laertes, another of my HB's also had no tackles for loss and a couple big TD runs including a 75 yarder.
So HB's. Fewer tackles for loss (none in that game). Same big play ability.
Nobody is trying to get them nerfed.
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Originally posted by Xavori
If the other QB outside runs worked, I'm pretty sure QB Rollout Strong wouldn't get used as much as it does.
So is that it? Is it because it's just one play?
I mean, if you want, I can start spamming a couple of the HB plays and get pretty much the same results, especially if you give me another half season to get them their running skills that I kinda neglected last season making them into lead blockers.
It is one play that people are trying to defend and still largely failing. Stop pretending it is anything otherwise. And your absurd comparisons on the subject just get more and more laughable.
If the other QB outside runs worked, I'm pretty sure QB Rollout Strong wouldn't get used as much as it does.
So is that it? Is it because it's just one play?
I mean, if you want, I can start spamming a couple of the HB plays and get pretty much the same results, especially if you give me another half season to get them their running skills that I kinda neglected last season making them into lead blockers.
It is one play that people are trying to defend and still largely failing. Stop pretending it is anything otherwise. And your absurd comparisons on the subject just get more and more laughable.
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Originally posted by Xavori
Answers based on my experience...
I couldn't run it more. I tested this in scrims and usually by the 4th quarter our QB's stamina was so burned we were getting almost all TFL's. This happens even now.
I have to have the second QB, Tim, because while he's not as good as Quincy at the sweep, Quincy is better at the sweep with him on the team. On top of that, Tim has a bunch of plays where he breaks 50+ TD's out of QB Slam and even a couple out of QB Sneak. In a perfect sim for offense (that would truly suck for defense), I could pick and choose which QB ran which of the QB runs I have in my book.
Notice all the TFL's in there on QB runs?
Contrast that with Archibald Fustrum's, one of Yorick's HB's, carries in our most recent game: 3, 0 49 + TD, 2, 4, 4, 1 + TD, 1, 5, and 33 + TD. Laertes, another of my HB's also had no tackles for loss and a couple big TD runs including a 75 yarder.
So HB's. Fewer tackles for loss (none in that game). Same big play ability.
Nobody is trying to get them nerfed.
I'm starting to feel like this is the play calling all over again. Those carries from that HB were a combination of 4 plays from 4 different formations. No one is saying that QB rushing is OP, we are saying that QB Rollout Strong is OP. Your "evidence" doesn't compare in the slightest.
Answers based on my experience...
I couldn't run it more. I tested this in scrims and usually by the 4th quarter our QB's stamina was so burned we were getting almost all TFL's. This happens even now.
I have to have the second QB, Tim, because while he's not as good as Quincy at the sweep, Quincy is better at the sweep with him on the team. On top of that, Tim has a bunch of plays where he breaks 50+ TD's out of QB Slam and even a couple out of QB Sneak. In a perfect sim for offense (that would truly suck for defense), I could pick and choose which QB ran which of the QB runs I have in my book.
Notice all the TFL's in there on QB runs?
Contrast that with Archibald Fustrum's, one of Yorick's HB's, carries in our most recent game: 3, 0 49 + TD, 2, 4, 4, 1 + TD, 1, 5, and 33 + TD. Laertes, another of my HB's also had no tackles for loss and a couple big TD runs including a 75 yarder.
So HB's. Fewer tackles for loss (none in that game). Same big play ability.
Nobody is trying to get them nerfed.
I'm starting to feel like this is the play calling all over again. Those carries from that HB were a combination of 4 plays from 4 different formations. No one is saying that QB rushing is OP, we are saying that QB Rollout Strong is OP. Your "evidence" doesn't compare in the slightest.
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Originally posted by Xavori
No. He was wrong.
Smart people come in lots of flavors just like dumb people and average people.
There are smart people who sit quietly in corners. There are smart people who don't feel modesty is a virtue and while they don't walk into a room announcing their IQ, also don't try to hide their intelligence just to make others feel better about themselves.
All I'm saying is that more often than not, when someone brags about their superior intelligence, they're not as smart as they think they are. You usually find this sort of behavior amongst overachievers with inferiority complexes.
And refraining from proclaiming one's superior intellect isn't 'hiding' anything.
Show, don't tell, as they say.
No. He was wrong.
Smart people come in lots of flavors just like dumb people and average people.
There are smart people who sit quietly in corners. There are smart people who don't feel modesty is a virtue and while they don't walk into a room announcing their IQ, also don't try to hide their intelligence just to make others feel better about themselves.
All I'm saying is that more often than not, when someone brags about their superior intelligence, they're not as smart as they think they are. You usually find this sort of behavior amongst overachievers with inferiority complexes.
And refraining from proclaiming one's superior intellect isn't 'hiding' anything.
Show, don't tell, as they say.
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Originally posted by bhall43
It is one play that people are trying to defend and still largely failing. Stop pretending it is anything otherwise. And your absurd comparisons on the subject just get more and more laughable.
How is comparing the success HB's have with the success QB's have absurd or laughable? It's seems a pretty legitimate comparison since they are doing the same thing, runnign with ball. On top of that, at somewhere during Seasoned, the HB's are going to be much better runners than the QB's because QB running caps are so much lower.
And I don't care if a lot of people are failing. I care if one person can succeed whose ideas then get expanded upon by others who are willing to watch and learn rather than running to the forums screaming ZOMG OP NERF NERF NERF!
I mean, once upon a time a lot of people thought the sun revolved around the Earth...
It is one play that people are trying to defend and still largely failing. Stop pretending it is anything otherwise. And your absurd comparisons on the subject just get more and more laughable.
How is comparing the success HB's have with the success QB's have absurd or laughable? It's seems a pretty legitimate comparison since they are doing the same thing, runnign with ball. On top of that, at somewhere during Seasoned, the HB's are going to be much better runners than the QB's because QB running caps are so much lower.
And I don't care if a lot of people are failing. I care if one person can succeed whose ideas then get expanded upon by others who are willing to watch and learn rather than running to the forums screaming ZOMG OP NERF NERF NERF!
I mean, once upon a time a lot of people thought the sun revolved around the Earth...
Originally posted by Xavori
If the other QB outside runs worked, I'm pretty sure QB Rollout Strong wouldn't get used as much as it does.
So is that it? Is it because it's just one play?
I mean, if you want, I can start spamming a couple of the HB plays and get pretty much the same results, especially if you give me another half season to get them their running skills that I kinda neglected last season making them into lead blockers.
Let's try it - you tell me which play you're going to run and we scrim. Yorrick vs Stunners
If you win - I don't post on the forums for 7 days.
If I win - you don't post on the forums for 4 days.
Deal?
If the other QB outside runs worked, I'm pretty sure QB Rollout Strong wouldn't get used as much as it does.
So is that it? Is it because it's just one play?
I mean, if you want, I can start spamming a couple of the HB plays and get pretty much the same results, especially if you give me another half season to get them their running skills that I kinda neglected last season making them into lead blockers.
Let's try it - you tell me which play you're going to run and we scrim. Yorrick vs Stunners
If you win - I don't post on the forums for 7 days.
If I win - you don't post on the forums for 4 days.
Deal?
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Originally posted by kirincnj
All I'm saying is that more often than not, when someone brags about their superior intelligence, they're not as smart as they think they are. You usually find this sort of behavior amongst overachievers with inferiority complexes.
And refraining from proclaiming one's superior intellect isn't 'hiding' anything.
Show, don't tell, as they say.
Trust me. I do not have an inferiority complex
If you want me to bore myself, I'll give you my resume to back up claims of intelligence, but it is just a game, and we're really only talking about a minuscule part of that game, and nothing about my background would be anymore influential to anyone in this discussion (nor should it).
I also don't think, nor do I care, that I can influence anyone who's already made up their mind. People overwhelmingly reject anything that challenges something that makes it to belief level, as this obviously has. Instead, I'm trying to find persuasive arguments that will convince the less vocal out there that they have a chance to defend against the play, they can do so without any negative effects on their teams, and by doing so, they'll reinforce my argument far more than anything I can say.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure all the ZOMG OP people have convinced a whole bunch of teams to start spamming that play. Since I'm totally cool with people running a play I can beat fairly easily rather than something like say, passing, which I can't, that is pretty much just gravy.
All I'm saying is that more often than not, when someone brags about their superior intelligence, they're not as smart as they think they are. You usually find this sort of behavior amongst overachievers with inferiority complexes.
And refraining from proclaiming one's superior intellect isn't 'hiding' anything.
Show, don't tell, as they say.
Trust me. I do not have an inferiority complex
If you want me to bore myself, I'll give you my resume to back up claims of intelligence, but it is just a game, and we're really only talking about a minuscule part of that game, and nothing about my background would be anymore influential to anyone in this discussion (nor should it).
I also don't think, nor do I care, that I can influence anyone who's already made up their mind. People overwhelmingly reject anything that challenges something that makes it to belief level, as this obviously has. Instead, I'm trying to find persuasive arguments that will convince the less vocal out there that they have a chance to defend against the play, they can do so without any negative effects on their teams, and by doing so, they'll reinforce my argument far more than anything I can say.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure all the ZOMG OP people have convinced a whole bunch of teams to start spamming that play. Since I'm totally cool with people running a play I can beat fairly easily rather than something like say, passing, which I can't, that is pretty much just gravy.
Originally posted by Xavori
Instead, I'm trying to find persuasive arguments that will convince the less vocal out there that they have a chance to defend against the play, they can do so without any negative effects on their teams, and by doing so, they'll reinforce my argument far more than anything I can say.
You're failing miserably which is just about the high point of my day this past week (yes, its been a bad week)
So how about that wager?
You tell me which HB play you're going to spam - you win -- I disappear for 7 days....I win - you do for 4 days..
That's 4-7 odds I'm giving you...but you're so smart you probably didn't need me to explain it to you
Instead, I'm trying to find persuasive arguments that will convince the less vocal out there that they have a chance to defend against the play, they can do so without any negative effects on their teams, and by doing so, they'll reinforce my argument far more than anything I can say.
You're failing miserably which is just about the high point of my day this past week (yes, its been a bad week)
So how about that wager?
You tell me which HB play you're going to spam - you win -- I disappear for 7 days....I win - you do for 4 days..
That's 4-7 odds I'm giving you...but you're so smart you probably didn't need me to explain it to you
Edited by TxSteve on May 22, 2014 20:04:06
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I think all QB roll out discussions should stop. Its the same argument over and over.
Corndog knows about it, its in his court now. All we can do is carry on playing.... or not.
Me personally I have given up trying to stop it and if my plays work they work, if not oh well its a game.
Corndog knows about it, its in his court now. All we can do is carry on playing.... or not.
Me personally I have given up trying to stop it and if my plays work they work, if not oh well its a game.
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