Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Homage
uh no you cant. scrim me right now and call nothing but 4-4 against 5 WR sets.

Why would I do that? I don't want to call a 4-4 vs a 5 WR set. I said I can what I want vs any current offensive situation.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Yes, but he has nothing else. He has nearly been pancaked more than he has revcaked or made tackles combined. You were a tester, how can you not know that extreme builds don't work at this point? And on those plays, you are NOT blitzing the gaps. You are blitzing right into blockers. Sending the LOLB, ROLB, and SS around the edge is not gap blitzing. Just because he is getting 3 yards before contact vs your team doesn't mean its happening to everyone else.

He is being caked on passing plays ldo. Not running plays.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Why would I do that? I don't want to call a 4-4 vs a 5 WR set. I said I can what I want vs any current offensive situation.

Better situation. Call Quarter defense on 3rd and 10+ against any of the I form's.

Originally posted by bhall43
Better situation. Call Quarter defense on 3rd and 10+ against any of the I form's.

Really? Thats easy, the 4-4 one on 4/5WR is the one I thought was a harder task. Standby, lets see if I can pull this off.

Alright, just did a quick Playbook and Tactics. The QTR defense I'm pretty confident in, the 4-4 defense I'm not for sure will work. About to head out for dinner so if it doesn't work I'll make adjustments and try again.

Originally posted by bhall43
He can call nothing but 4-4 vs. 5 WR sets. He won't however be able to run 4-4 and Quarter plays at the same time though.

I remember DB explicitly saying it wouldn't let you.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Really? Thats easy, the 4-4 one on 4/5WR is the one I thought was a harder task. Standby, lets see if I can pull this off.

Not just running Quarter by the way. Use regular 2 WR defenses and then run Quarter defenses on 3rd and long.

Originally posted by Homage
I remember DB explicitly saying it wouldn't let you.

Won't let you if you are running 5 WR defenses and then throw in a 4-4 defense. It will just cling to those 5 WR defenses because of the tags. This is why the tags should be removed and all the plays should have some sort of logic in their coverage of every formation. Even if that means you let someone go free using 4-4 against 5 WR. As long as I can call that and can see the coverage assignments that should be ok. In the same way as an OC I can see what that DC continually is calling against 5 WR and I can use plays that early target uncovered players. Chess.

Originally posted by bhall43
Not just running Quarter by the way. Use regular 2 WR defenses and then run Quarter defenses on 3rd and long.

Yep, got it set up for that.

Is 3 deep man up a recent add? I don't ever remember a 5 wr play with tags for 1-5 wr's?

I'm on my phone though was there a play you used that didn't have the exact tags for the formation?

Originally posted by bhall43
Is 3 deep man up a recent add? I don't ever remember a 5 wr play with tags for 1-5 wr's?

I'm on my phone though was there a play you used that didn't have the exact tags for the formation?

There were numerous QTR plays that tagged anywhere form 1-5WR, thats why I said that one was so easy. The 4-4 one I quickly just sat up to run only 4-4 plays, I'll do more testing tomorrow to see if I can find away to get it to call it with other plays in the pool. I'm not for sure if the 3 Deep Man play is new.

EDIT: The problem with running any type of 3-4/4-3/4-4 against a spread option is that you still are gonna have the outside LBs move to cover the WRs just like they would do IRL. I'm sticking by my statement that the way to stop it is not by blitzing, that leaves you too exposed for a long run. You have to be willing to give up a steady 3-4 yards and wait for the 1-2 yard gain to force a pass.

Crowbar says No Quarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasyYUPxCD4&feature=kp

Doing a quick count, there are 6 QTR Man, 5 QTR Zone, 8 Dime(3-2-6) Zone, 4 Dime Man, and 6 Dime Zone plays that you can call exclusively vs the 2 WR set.

Thanks this is pita using my phone.

Also appears I'm still a bit out of touch with how the defensive settings work to some degree. Really wish it was more packaged like the OAI so you don't have to jump a bunch of hoops to get certain plays to fire.