Warrior General Games

Originally posted by NiborRis
With custom slots, HBs get min/maxed and used only for their designated, designed purpose. Inside run, power back. Outside pitch, elusive back. Passing play, scat back on a route or blocking back held in.
GLB1 addressed this by giving the defense tagging capability to be able to run a defense based on who is in the game, so there became a benefit to using an HB in a non-optimal role and having multiple capabilities for each HB, which generates diversity in builds. This is "more realistic" but also requires a LOT of work from the defensive coordinators.

Without custom slots, HBs need to be somewhat balanced and matched up to their team's gameplan. This inherently creates HBs with multiple capabilities in different amounts and generates diversity in builds. The downside is that all the HBs on the team are likely to want to be very similar in build, because you can't favor one over the other in various cases, so you want to match the gameplan to the player capabilities.

It's a design decision tradeoff, more "realism" vs more work. In both cases you end up with a variety of successful HB builds in the game, though.

Someone is probably going to figure out an exploit, like putting the passing QB into the BTE slot, so that when you call SBB or BigI formations, the backup QB (who happens to be a rushing QB) will come in. I'm sure you could do the same with the HB, so that the HB is always a rushing HB unless the rushing HB is pulled away, in which case your receiving HB is in.

There's always going to be exploits like this of some kind unless you forbid Out of Position Players.

And guess what? You can only put TEs in at TE. You can only put in HBs at HB. You can only put in FBs at FB... but you can put a HB, FB, or OT in at BTE. So if the BTE slot pulls first, you've got the old season 7 QBTE+RQB exploit. So, feel free to use that as your custom depth chart slot (assuming it pulls the BTE first). You are welcome.

Originally posted by burn_209
I would argue that you are a moron

I would argue that you seem to be a relatively "bad person" who expresses themselves in a way they think will hurt the feelings of others on purpose
But I don't have to be your friend, so thanks for letting me know i don't want to be

Originally posted by flynn
I would argue that you seem to be a relatively "bad person" who expresses themselves in a way they think will hurt the feelings of others on purpose
But I don't have to be your friend, so thanks for letting me know i don't want to be

Actually I just dont like people that think they have discovered something new that no one has ever thought of before....when what they discovered is common sense.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Someone is probably going to figure out an exploit, like putting the passing QB into the BTE slot, so that when you call SBB or BigI formations, the backup QB (who happens to be a rushing QB) will come in. I'm sure you could do the same with the HB, so that the HB is always a rushing HB unless the rushing HB is pulled away, in which case your receiving HB is in.

There's always going to be exploits like this of some kind unless you forbid Out of Position Players.

And guess what? You can only put TEs in at TE. You can only put in HBs at HB. You can only put in FBs at FB... but you can put a HB, FB, or OT in at BTE. So if the BTE slot pulls first, you've got the old season 7 QBTE+RQB exploit. So, feel free to use that as your custom depth chart slot (assuming it pulls the BTE first). You are welcome.

If full on RQB's didn't suck that might be an exploit but they do however. Regardless you are only handcuffing yourself by doing things like this.

Ok I got my RQB in but wait my PQB and RTE are blocking for my RQB.
Ok I got my rushing HB in but wait I have my RTE and SHB blocking for him.
Ok I got my Scat HB in but wait now my RHB is a potential target on a TE route.

Originally posted by bhall43
If full on RQB's didn't suck that might be an exploit but they do however. Regardless you are only handcuffing yourself by doing things like this.

Ok I got my RQB in but wait my PQB and RTE are blocking for my RQB.
Ok I got my rushing HB in but wait I have my RTE and SHB blocking for him.
Ok I got my Scat HB in but wait now my RHB is a potential target on a TE route.

If Screen passes weren't shit, you could put your blocking TE in at the TE slot, force your PwrHB in to the BTE slot, and throw screens to your Scatback.

If you normally run on the right side of the Big formation, you can force your blocking FB in to the BTE slot, which makes your rushing FB come in, so you could run with the FB on either side...

I don't know, there are certainly uses.

Especially by calling plays where the undesirable target is the 5th in the progressions.

Originally posted by burn_209
Actually I just dont like people that think they have discovered something new that no one has ever thought of before....when what they discovered is common sense.

So this is something you feel very strongly about?

Originally posted by bhall43
If full on RQB's didn't suck that might be an exploit but they do however. Regardless you are only handcuffing yourself by doing things like this.


It's not completely self handicapping. If you only put QB rollout right (and not left) and a few HB/FB runs in Big I, you could easily cheese yourself to a few wins against bad scouting teams.

Originally posted by pottsman
It's not completely self handicapping. If you only put QB rollout right (and not left) and a few HB/FB runs in Big I, you could easily cheese yourself to a few wins against bad scouting teams.

Yes, but if you'll remember:

"And guess what? You can only put TEs in at TE. You can only put in HBs at HB. You can only put in FBs at FB... but you can put a HB, FB, or OT in at BTE."

Since you can't put a QB in the BTE slot, the RQB trick fails. The best you can do is get a TE, HB, FB, or OT into that BTE slot.

Originally posted by burn_209
Actually I just dont like people that think they have discovered something new that no one has ever thought of before....when what they discovered is common sense.

Just so we're clear, I don't think I'm some genius who discovered something no one else thought of
I specifically thought i was bringing up something other people also cared about but that I had yet to see in the forums
I also thought it was common sense
So way to be a jerk for a reason based on a poor assumption

If you had custom slots, there'd be two builds: Scat receivers and pure rushers. Without the custom slot, there's multitudes of builds possible. On the scale of pure-receiver to pure rusher, and any combo build in between. The combo build was dead in GLB1. You didn't build a back that wasn't purely designed for the specific role he'd fit into.

Some teams in GLB2 may still go for pure guys, and simply work with a smaller playbook and rely upon their players just being better at what they are trying to do than the opposing players. Other teams will want some combo ability, and the bigger effective playbook to work with.

How you construct your team is more involved in GLB2 than GLB1. There's going to be more variety in how teams are put together when factoring in salary cap, roster size limitations, and superstars. In GLB1, it's mostly who's got the better coordinator taking advantage of their marginally superior players/rosters that are mostly similarly designed. In GLB2, one week, you're going to face a team with a beast rushing attack with superstars at C, G, OT on the left side and a SS Fullback and Halfback. Next week, you're up against a Superstar QB and WRs. After that, you're facing a team that forces you to run the ball because they've got superstars at 4 Conerbacks and FS and SS.

Coordinating isn't going to be quite as specific, but you better believe the coordinator that doesn't shake-up the playbook to account for the issues presented by the next team on the schedule will be getting worked over.

Again, the problem remains that if you pick a back for your scheme who can't catch he is simply a liability on passing plays because you can't hold him in to block
Without a custom slot or a % of the time held in to block slider you're forced to have a liability somewhere on every play
That's silly
If we had the ability to tell people who can't catch to block instead then the "custom slot" wouldn't be necessary

Originally posted by flynn
Again, the problem remains that if you pick a back for your scheme who can't catch he is simply a liability on passing plays

Exactly.

If you pick a back that can catch somewhat, then he's less of a liability on passing plays.
If you pick a back that can catch about average, then he's not a liability on passing plays.
If you pick a back that can catch above average, then he's an asset on passing plays.

Feel free to pick any of those backs. Or anywhere inbetween. A whole spectrum of possibilities on how to build a back, none a clear "the best way all others are inferior".

Ya that is pretty much the entire point.

So you're saying the game is designed to not let you hold your backs in to block on passing plays?
We will never get to decide to hold 6 blockers in vs 4 rushers?

Originally posted by flynn
So you're saying the game is designed to not let you hold your backs in to block on passing plays?
We will never get to decide to hold 6 blockers in vs 4 rushers?

Supposedly there is a blitz-awareness check that determines if anyone gets held in. So far, no one has posted plays where it has been used.