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Originally posted by JT_HOOD
well fu because this sim is lame. might as well play madden 04 and r un the same 3 spam plays all game no matter what the D then brag about how you're awesome

tbh, there would have never been a "good" sim, if it was slanted at passing peeps would be running the same 10 pass plays all season just the same as they are running the same run plays now...

Outside of the Big I runs, there's not a lot of plays that Ive repeated a ton this season on both teams....

Originally posted by .spider.
tbh, there would have never been a "good" sim, if it was slanted at passing peeps would be running the same 10 pass plays all season just the same as they are running the same run plays now...

Outside of the Big I runs, there's not a lot of plays that Ive repeated a ton this season on both teams....

slanted at passing peeps...........the passing game was a constant change due to the different builds that were effective in each sim. Then you had to find out what worked best for them. The passing peeps were the guys who kept tweaking until they figured out what worked best for their team.

Outside of the big i...........man you hammered home my point without know it.
screen screen, big i goalline. rinse wash repeat.

The reason there is about 5-8 teams running the same exact lame O is because they made it no matter what a play will work eventually. So you can run your big formation and hope you get the right blocks/pancakes and spring the big gain. Screens work no matter what, doesn't matter if the hb is double or tripled. They will work and all get blocked a few times even if the D probably only was responsible to cover the HB.

That offense is something a monkey could do. They could literally make it a preset now and just let guys run it.

Originally posted by evileyez
also im awesome

true

Passing plays vary in effectiveness based on offensive/defensive personnel and the coverage. I would have liked to see that second repeat play penalty for screens since they should be less and less effective the more screens you run. Then Big I is just the perfect storm of better blocking and bad pursuit pathing. Inside running isn't nearly as effective as it should be against light fronts.

who?

the 1000s of INT CBs out there make people scared to pass too

i certainly facepalmed when it was clear BI/GL running was going to be a problem and then still that offseason bort spent more time on the pulling blocking and FB wayward points. then things got super nuts

BI/GL hurt the game for me. then a late night chitty chat with bort on the test server regarding the whole blitzing thing .. it became clear it was hopeless for me. that basically killed the game for me.

thinking from a dev perspective - what are the 15min changes that bort could do to swing the sim a bit? increase RPP is simple enough for sure.

Originally posted by JT_HOOD


The reason there is about 5-8 teams running the same exact lame O is because they made it no matter what a play will work eventually. So you can run your big formation and hope you get the right blocks/pancakes and spring the big gain. Screens work no matter what, doesn't matter if the hb is double or tripled. They will work and all get blocked a few times even if the D probably only was responsible to cover the HB.

That offense is something a monkey could do. They could literally make it a preset now and just let guys run it.

You can say the same for a pass heavy Offense. They run their plays over and over again and hoping for the fake to fire at the right time to get the big gain. In the end it is all the same.

And both running and passing are absolutly boring to watch.

Originally posted by Disastermaster
You can say the same for a pass heavy Offense. They run their plays over and over again and hoping for the fake to fire at the right time to get the big gain. In the end it is all the same.

And both running and passing are absolutly boring to watch.

you've been beating that drum for about 10 seasons because you have always been run heavy.

You can not run the same pass plays with the same progressions every game. You can't, it's bs if you think you can. There is routes that generate fakes over 50% of the time and those you do see now run against about every D.

TE lead, trips, some guys run that te clearout in sbb like it's the best play ever. To say that it's the same is just wrong, either you didn't quit grasp how to pass effectively or you just got pissed because guys were passing on you. I don't know which it is.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Passing plays vary in effectiveness based on offensive/defensive personnel and the coverage. I would have liked to see that second repeat play penalty for screens since they should be less and less effective the more screens you run. Then Big I is just the perfect storm of better blocking and bad pursuit pathing. Inside running isn't nearly as effective as it should be against light fronts.

it really is a perfect storm

Originally posted by snakes22
There is only 1 drunk to thank for this screen, run, 5 yard pass offense we have now..

This is pretty comical. I had nothing to do with how screens are the way the are and I spent 3 straight seasons in WL chucking it deep with every play in the book with Sunday Funday throwing for 5,000 to 8,000 yards. What is even more funny is that the plan you describe is the plan you conformed to and can't win with.

Originally posted by JT_HOOD
There is routes that generate fakes over 50% of the time and those you do see now run against about every D.
Yup, there is definitely something odd about how Bort codes plays. Certain actions on certain plays are magic when what appear to be very similar actions on different plays don't work nearly as well. GLB is at its best when it's a rock-paper-scissors game where the offense and defense are trying to guess what the other will do. I don't hate this sim because I think a lot of it is better than it used to be, but the guessing game part is definitely gone. Right now you'd be dumb not to run the same handful of plays on offense and focusing on those plays defensively. Kudos to HHWC for giving a big middle finger to that and doing it their own way.

If not for INT CB's you really could run almost any pass play in the book with really good effectiveness and the TE Drive, SBB Clearout, Overload, etc would be essentially unstoppable plays.

Originally posted by JT_HOOD

you've been beating that drum for about 10 seasons because you have always been run heavy.


there where some seasons Korb or E-City had a top 5 passing Offense in WL. But yes I like running more than passing, just simply for the fact that I hate when the QB is skipping the progression from an open receiver to antoher and than his throw leads this receiver into coverage
Also Graz and DOW where build for running and it would not make much sense for me to throw the ball 50 times a game when I have an OL full with Aura and Pummel. Than I want long drives and not home runs.

Rebuild Korb is more passing than running so we will see.

Originally posted by JT_HOOD

You can not run the same pass plays with the same progressions every game. You can't, it's bs if you think you can. There is routes that generate fakes over 50% of the time and those you do see now run against about every D.


switching progression on passing plays is basicly the same like flipping sides on a running play or changing TE/FB/QB for the run play. What else can you do on a running play than changing the personal groups or running it to the other side? There are so many running plays in the playbook that you cant use cause they are simply shit. Most inside running plays are crap. So in the end you dont have a real big package to choose from thats why everyone is using the same running plays over and over again.

Originally posted by JT_HOOD

TE lead, trips, some guys run that te clearout in sbb like it's the best play ever. To say that it's the same is just wrong, either you didn't quit grasp how to pass effectively or you just got pissed because guys were passing on you. I don't know which it is.


Im not pissed or something else, from my standpoint there is not a real difference between switching progression for some passing plays every few game or switching personal groups for running plays every few games.

Youre right, Big I is overpowered, some screens as well, but it is the same like some passing plays where you almost can be sure to get a fake or the receiver is running away from the coverage when he makes his cut.

You have your arguments as you like to pass or dont know how to run, I have my arguments as I like to run or donīt know how to pass. In the end I donīt care


Congratz Richey for winning WL

If turnovers didn't increase the chance of more turnovers I wouldn't be so scared of interceptions.

Rock, Paper, Scissors hasn't been in effect since they added the audibles and some blitz's became so OP'd it began to be useless to even send a TE out. So pretty much since like the very early times in WL.