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Originally posted by Shrazkil
Too many people fail to see the value in, and the value lost, if you wait to multi-train, all those alg's your 3-8 stats accumulate, lower your training gains significantly. The value of doing it bolicks way is a more obvious one, higher primaries plus alg's = good. But the loss is SP value by not being able to raise early and cap just keeps piling on. So while you get the rediculous bump to EL from having like 106-108 in primary, you are loosing 30-60 EL in every other attribute past like 2nd or worse yet, spending way more actual SP points to achieve it.

Possibly. There will always be some sort of compromise(s) needed to keep the attribute values out of the training graveyard range, and it seems that the different measures will converge somewhat at end-build.

I don't think the bolick way necessarily means you need to spend more SPs overall for a similar end-build. You can stop spending skill points in the primaries a little earlier, use the excellent training returns above 75 or so to get them to the predetermined* final values you want, and then use the SPs saved to drive the less important attributes through the 48 and 61 caps without needing to cap early or training in between the caps.

*Ultimately, the relative importance of the attributes in the sim will determine to what extent you want to focus on the different attributes (constrained by the building process).

Originally posted by reddogrw
without the primary attributes being really high the secondary ones don't matter

difference between 102 vs 108 = negligable but great el boost.

Originally posted by Shrazkil
difference between 102 vs 108 = negligable but great el boost.

You say negligable but when a HB/WR just out runs you and puts up 7 points than its not so negligable.

Originally posted by Shrazkil
difference between 102 vs 108 = negligable but great el boost.
Holy shit no, but only playing in Regional Pro explains why you think this. Please stop posting until you have experience in the higher levels of the game.

Oh, and my way also produces a superior EL to yours. The only thing your method accomplishes is to have higher secondaries than mine, but WL teams don't want higher secondaries. They want higher primaries.

Originally posted by whodey08
You say negligable but when a HB/WR just out runs you and puts up 7 points than its not so negligable.

HB wouldnt be at 102 most likely, thats more like 104 vs 108. WR isnt getting to 108 without some serious gimping of other stats. Both methods can get the primary that high, its just a matter of what you want to give up.

Originally posted by bigtisme
3rd cap happens around day 10-12 ish right? Then you'd say its ok to multi train?

Assuming I'm reading correctly.
Should be earlier than that, honestly. I think it's around day 7. Doesn't seem like a huge difference, but it actually makes a substantial difference over the long-term build. I learned just how much of a difference small things can make with this DE: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2308325 I got a breakthrough on d48 of her first off-season and that put the build about 20 points (and much more than that over the long-term) behind where it should be. *sigh* That's frankly what I like best about Bort's change to give full training points no matter when during the off-season that you create. So if you get a breakthrough that screws things up, you can just retire and do it again.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Oh, and my way also produces a superior EL to yours. The only thing your method accomplishes is to have higher secondaries than mine, but WL teams don't want higher secondaries. They want higher primaries.

Dinosaurs gonna be dinosaurs. Quit yer yapping until you start making new dots that do not rott. Several of my dots have higher EL than yours, and none of my oldest dots are even built with alot of the strategies i am recommending . As for regional PRO , thats where the age progression went. I have Dots going on WL teams after day 42.

Originally posted by Shrazkil
HB wouldnt be at 102 most likely, thats more like 104 vs 108. WR isnt getting to 108 without some serious gimping of other stats. Both methods can get the primary that high, its just a matter of what you want to give up.
No, it can't. Your method has no hope of getting the primary anywhere near that high. You're wrong and on some level I think you realize it, you just can't stop making excuses because you so desperately want to pretend that you're a build expert when you're actually giving people bad advice.

Originally posted by jdbolick

No, it can't. Your method has no hope of getting the primary anywhere near that high. You're wrong and on some level I think you realize it, you just can't stop making excuses because you so desperately want to pretend that you're a build expert when you're actually giving people bad advice.

LOL run some VPB as much as your sad puppy mouth, and you will learn a thing or two. Most all of my builds that need extreme end at 102, my HB ends at 105 natural.

Originally posted by Shrazkil
difference between 102 vs 108 = negligable but great el boost.
This just cannot be quoted often enough. It's so laughably wrong, and fully demonstrates how completely ignorant Shrazkil is about the higher levels of the game. If only there was a supersized .

Originally posted by jdbolick

This just cannot be quoted often enough. It's so laughably wrong, and fully demonstrates how completely ignorant Shrazkil is about the higher levels of the game. If only there was a supersized .

Its true, just not universally. 102 vs 108 on a CB is very negligable, especially if that means the difference between 60 jumping and 80 jumping, or 85 vision to 90 vision.

Originally posted by Shrazkil
Its true, just not universally. 102 vs 108 on a CB is very negligable
No, it really isn't. Please stop posting until you have any knowledge whatsoever of the highest levels of this game. Once you have that knowledge, you'll look back on your posts from this thread and just cringe.

I value speed really high on CB's....but i would not want a 108 speed CB. Im going with 102ish.

Last i played, extreme majors didnt win. Im applying that to my new players, hopefully they arent busts....i dont think they will be