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Originally posted by NiborRis
I've actually kind of wished substitutions were a factor - but it would need to be properly publicized and explained. You would need better control over subs, though, or at least a "Don't sub per stamina rules when in hurry up" setting (you could still sub based on playcall, of course). Not sure that level of control adds anything valuable to the game, though.

I've always been of the opinion that the spike is worthless, but I haven't discussed it much with people or done any intensive analysis. It's trickier because the time between plays varies on a lot of factors already (bugs forum used to flood with "why didn't a play get called at end of game" threads) so it's hard to say if the spike was faster. If substitutions ARE involved, it makes it even more stupid, as the spike is a specific formation and you'd have to sub *into* it just to get the play off, whereas if you just call the same play again you may not have subs and it might even snap faster.

cough force starters cough

Originally posted by jdros13

I'm not exactly sure what the logic is yet

what makes you so sure logic is involved in any form of this

Originally posted by Phil Jackson
what makes you so sure logic is involved in any form of this

well, I'd assume they have some type of reasoning behind whatever they set up behind the scenes.

It doesn't work properly, but there have to be some rules the AI is following, right?

Originally posted by bhall43
cough force starters cough

Yeah, except that I think the only formation that has the same positions on the field as the QB Spike is the QB Kneel (lol running those back to back). Goal line if you're lucky and use a FB as a TE, I guess. Otherwise your WRs are running off the field and your second TE and FB are coming on, minimum.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Yeah, except that I think the only formation that has the same positions on the field as the QB Spike is the QB Kneel (lol running those back to back). Goal line if you're lucky and use a FB as a TE, I guess. Otherwise your WRs are running off the field and your second TE and FB are coming on, minimum.

well if they used your logic on that...they would have to follow suit with formation specific spikes!

Originally posted by NiborRis
I've actually kind of wished substitutions were a factor - but it would need to be properly publicized and explained. You would need better control over subs, though, or at least a "Don't sub per stamina rules when in hurry up" setting (you could still sub based on playcall, of course). Not sure that level of control adds anything valuable to the game, though.

I've always been of the opinion that the spike is worthless, but I haven't discussed it much with people or done any intensive analysis. It's trickier because the time between plays varies on a lot of factors already (bugs forum used to flood with "why didn't a play get called at end of game" threads) so it's hard to say if the spike was faster. If substitutions ARE involved, it makes it even more stupid, as the spike is a specific formation and you'd have to sub *into* it just to get the play off, whereas if you just call the same play again you may not have subs and it might even snap faster.
Spike wasn't faster, but I raised the point in the OC forum, someone asked Catch about it in a Q&A, and eventually Bort promised to make spike run faster than a normal play in order to give it some real value. I don't think that change has been made yet, though.

Originally posted by bhall43
well if they used your logic on that...they would have to follow suit with formation specific spikes!

A spike should use whatever personnel was on the field for the preceding play.

Originally posted by kurieg
A spike should use whatever personnel was on the field for the preceding play.

disagree, should have 10 lineman for max protect in case of miscues

Originally posted by kurieg
A spike should use whatever personnel was on the field for the preceding play.

exactly.