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Originally posted by Stoner DTD
I coordinate both the offense and the defense for Lunch Box, I have owned 2 teams which were rightfully promoted to Gold via the promotion script, both of which I sold in order to allow a friends team to advance in stead of mine (Lunch Box took the place of the Stoney Stoners and MoM took the place of the Scorpion Stingers).

Both of those teams lost pretty healthily in the championship if I do remember to some still pretty/very good Gold teams, but as you've used as an excuse many times... I was unboosted against full boosted and custom squads..

With your prejudice and whining is the only way they advanced.....Quit rearranging things to fit your agenda!

Originally posted by D~Town
With your prejudice and whining is the only way they advanced.....Quit rearranging things to fit your agenda!


Hardly, my "prejudice and whining" was an effort to have the promotion script run its course to have the team deserving promotion be promoted rather than some copper team.

Both times MoM and Lunch Box were the next runner up in promotion according to the script that is ALWAYS used and should ALWAYS be used when determining promotions whether it be in the off season or not.

But I guess we all know where saying nothing gets you right? you know... 2 teams being CPU and all this season.... but I wasn't about to put myself through 10 pages of personal attacks again just to get a wrong righted.

Originally posted by Stoner DTD
1 Chicago 85' Bears 14-0-0 14
2 DIRTY INC. 14-0-0 14
3 Black Sea Buckeye Revolution 11-3-0 1
4 Loretto Panthers 9-5-0 -1
5 Final Thought 9-5-0 2
6 Providence Nose Pickers 8-6-0 2
7 UT Pimps 8-6-0 -2
8 Lunch Box 8-6-0 4

8 teams which I feel all almost have the same shot to win out, I wouldn't be surprised to see a single one of these teams advance to the championship game.

NEVER before has Gold had 8 teams that I would have honestly felt (and I do) have a good shot at making the championship in one conference.

I do agree that the East is a clear shell of what used to be Gold if the whole league were like that, but there has ALWAYS been a much weaker conference in Gold, this season no exception.

This season has had a lot more imbalanced games because of the decision of a bunch of people not to boost/custom at the EXACT same time as we have before... you also have to consider that offenses are much better prepared these days actually being able to pass and the dreaded exaggerated pump fake scoring so many TDs.... so the scores may not very well represent the level of competition just by comparison to seasons past where the sim may not have been that different but our approach clearly was.

blah blah blah... I don't know why I continue with this conversation... but I'll say it again and again, todays teams are BETTER than yesterdays and that is WITHOUT A DOUBT in my mind.

You're nuts. Given the fact that more than half of those are no CEQ and are not going to boost, I think there are really only 3-4 contenders, MAYBE.

And I don't doubt that teams are better today than yesterday IN YOUR MIND. But we call know that there are a lot of things that are truth in your mind that are far from reality. You really don't know, as you said yourself you had never coordinated before last year so you really lack perspective.

Not coordinating doesn't mean I haven't been around this game a lot longer than yourself. I can watch the game and personally witness my roommate spend hours on this game coordinating, and even he admits playing today is much harder than it was back then (though less time consuming with the wonderful new tools).

Bears- yes/yes
Inc-yes/yes
BSBR-yes/yes
LP- not entirely sure
FT- not entirely sure
PNP- yes/yes
UT- not entirely sure
LB-yes/yes

over half aye? not to mention its not MY FAULT you guys at the end of the season despite having made the playoffs are going to CHOOSE not to boost and not to custom in order to make MY game easier to win... but that doesn't change my opinion on the strength of the conference....

If you take in to account the fact that somehow PNM (a previous 15-1 team now getting dominated week after week) and ACS suck this year and could easily be the teams of old.... then clearly this is the best season in Gold in awhile.... Gold west at least.






Again I at you... it doesn't change that its an opinion not fact based matter and that your opinion has NO evidence to support it while mine has plenty... you can make it seem like I'm crazy all you want... ILL know different.












"EVERYONE" knew that the world was flat at one point too you know? Anyone who thought otherwise was CRAZY!

PNP is whatever the agent wants to do, most of our team is not boosting/CE

Quality older teams are not as quick to jump on flavor of the season tactics/exploits like newer teams. This season, the new thing to do is just send all your receivers out deep and throw it deep with a QB loaded up on Pump Fake and just catch 1 in 3 to get a 1st or more. This tactic/exploit seems to be really effective this season, and some of the older teams are struggling against it, like PNM & ACS.

If Pump Fake gets a good nerf next season like Catch22 & Bort have been hinting at, I bet those teams who based their offense on it will struggle while those who know how to run a good balanced offense won't. Should we call them has-been's at that time?

Tactics change quickly in Pee-Wee from season to season. The best teams adapt quickly, but every team has an off season and doesn't adjust as well, or tries something that doesn't work like expected, and thus have a lack luster season.

A team's worth isn't measures by a single season, even if they win Gold, but by how many seasons they do well in Gold. When teams can put multiple playoff seasons under their belt, that team doesn't have to boast that they are good, people know it!

hmm ...well I haven't been following the games in the gold league to be able to judge or compare to previous seasons, coz this is the second season that I have had no involvement since the gold league was created ...but I would say with confidence that the likes of He Hates Me!!!, DORD and LSM were teams with co-ordinators that were greater tacticians, better planners and more knowledgeable about the game than what we have now in the gold league(with the exception of a few agents) ...I rate coordinators like jucieweezel, PING, LE, crims, mccollums, THUNDER66, LSM(I know that I have neglected to mention a few(I have forgotten the names of the DORD co-ordinators)), above anyone else in peewee ...I'm sorry, not trying to kiss ass, but am sentimental to the gold leagues of previous seasons

everyone is and thats fine... people still say that old school athletes would beat those of today... its just how people live... its hard to imagine that your idol is worse than your enemy... even if time does tell.


As far as Pump Fakes go you are preaching to the choir, if anyone bothered to watch a single game Lunch Box is the least pump fake happy team out there and we've got more passing attempts than any of you.

So before you go blaming the passing game being "better" on pump fakes get your facts straight... we were by far the best passing team all season and didn't have a single point in pump fake until recently.

VERY recently at that.

ManOgwaR is right, for this season, game planning isn't as important as it has been in previous seasons. Too many teams have adopted the tactic of just throwing it deep 80% of the time and just play the odds. In past seasons, you couldn't do that and had to game plan a balanced attack based on the weaknesses of the other team.

Not saying the teams of previous seasons are better, but that it took more work to win than it does now due to the pump fake exploit too many teams are dependent on.

And I wasn't pointing out any specific teams, but even with out Pump Fake, it's still easier to throw it deep and play the odds than game plan heavily, and it does just as well if not better.

...in before the lock.

I'm a nobody here but I can see a bit where Stoner's original rant came from regarding the triple crown; it is in fact, an impressive acheivement even if the competition (in tourney and Gold league play) is somewhat watered down. A trophy win, by league or tournament, is still an accomplishment because it demonstrates an ability to consistently win with an inconsistent SIM.

I just think the substance of his arguments are frequently lost due to the manner in which he tries to present them. And while I don't consider Lunch Box to be a top Gold team this season, they have dark horse potential and I'm looking forward to seeing how the playoffs turn out.

I would Agree IF and thats a Big IF one team did win all three it would be a great accomplishment. I guess I do come from the Old School of thought. Don't tell me how good you think you will be, Show me and let me decide how GREAT YOU ARE.

Originally posted by Gerr
ManOgwaR is right, for this season, game planning isn't as important as it has been in previous seasons. Too many teams have adopted the tactic of just throwing it deep 80% of the time and just play the odds. In past seasons, you couldn't do that and had to game plan a balanced attack based on the weaknesses of the other team.

Not saying the teams of previous seasons are better, but that it took more work to win than it does now due to the pump fake exploit too many teams are dependent on.

And I wasn't pointing out any specific teams, but even with out Pump Fake, it's still easier to throw it deep and play the odds than game plan heavily, and it does just as well if not better.

What if your team is built to pass the ball... and has varying wr/te/backs builds to try and take advantage of all the routes available... with an o-line dedicated to pass blocking and a couple qbs whos role is to put it all togethor? Lunch Box's gameplan is a lil more complicated than you're giving it credit for. I'd bet a lot of other pass heavy teams would think the same. Hoping for one completion out of three or four attempts sounds like a horrible way to scheme.

As far as pump fake goes, I have never been a fan of it and resisted all of Stoners attempts to get it up untill this past level up. I don't even know if it fired from the 1 point via ceq in the games in between boosting and now as it isn't and wasn't a part of our overall plan this season in the least and I don't keep an eye out for it. Defensively, I have done my best to try and mitigate the effects of pump fake but it still happens. I can only hope to recover in a timely manner.

I have very few SA's in Pump Fake.

Originally posted by Nif
What if your team is built to pass the ball... and has varying wr/te/backs builds to try and take advantage of all the routes available... with an o-line dedicated to pass blocking and a couple qbs whos role is to put it all togethor? Lunch Box's gameplan is a lil more complicated than you're giving it credit for. I'd bet a lot of other pass heavy teams would think the same. Hoping for one completion out of three or four attempts sounds like a horrible way to scheme.

As far as pump fake goes, I have never been a fan of it and resisted all of Stoners attempts to get it up untill this past level up. I don't even know if it fired from the 1 point via ceq in the games in between boosting and now as it isn't and wasn't a part of our overall plan this season in the least and I don't keep an eye out for it. Defensively, I have done my best to try and mitigate the effects of pump fake but it still happens. I can only hope to recover in a timely manner.

Once again you presume my comments are directed at Lunch Box, but they are not. It's a general comparison of S18 PW to past seasons.

It's much easier to game plan for a passing offense than a rushing offense as passes are still caught and often when well covered where a well covered run is usually stopped for a minimal gain. That makes OC's more lazy as certain pass plays are often golden no matter the defense where you don't have that in the rushing game. What I am trying to say is you can have an effective passing offense with minimal game planning before the passing boost where you couldn't have an effective rushing attack in past seasons with minimal game planning. Pump Fake is a part of that, but is far from the only part.