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Originally posted by rjssob
Allen is an unrestricted FA and Pierce can opt out early if he wants...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11
yeah... i know.
i'd be shocked if pierce opts out.
this year the salary cap was 57.7 mil.
here's our team salary situation... http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm
if pierce opts out, our cap number is 41.8 mil (spread among 6 players). a max contract for wade/lebron/bosh will probably be around 17mil... so IFFFFF pierce opts out, we're right on the cusp of being able to afford one of these "max FA's" and 6 other guys.
not realistic to think pierce would opt out... he'll make $21 mil next season which is more than he can make anywhere else. if he does opt out, it will be for boston to resign him to a longer deal worth less per season.
Allen is an unrestricted FA and Pierce can opt out early if he wants...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11
yeah... i know.
i'd be shocked if pierce opts out.
this year the salary cap was 57.7 mil.
here's our team salary situation... http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm
if pierce opts out, our cap number is 41.8 mil (spread among 6 players). a max contract for wade/lebron/bosh will probably be around 17mil... so IFFFFF pierce opts out, we're right on the cusp of being able to afford one of these "max FA's" and 6 other guys.
not realistic to think pierce would opt out... he'll make $21 mil next season which is more than he can make anywhere else. if he does opt out, it will be for boston to resign him to a longer deal worth less per season.
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Commenting on a few things...
LBJ to celtics won't happen...at least not this season, no way lol. Hypothetically if you did get him, it wouldn't work with Pierce still there. Both of them need the ball to be effective and are used to being the first option on teams, but you can work around that. What really kills the idea of LBJ playing with that lineup is there's no shooters...which LBJ needs for when he's constantly driving and getting double teams. Rondo is still a below average shooter (improved tremendously since he came into the league, but he still has a LONG way to go in that area).
Rondo Allen LBJ Kg Perk
would KILL the lineup of
Rondo LBJ Pierce KG perk
and it's not even close. But like you said, they'd probably get rid of Allen before PP so it isn't happening (ok, LBJ coming to the Celtics in the first place isn't even happening lol).
As for the Cavs-Celtics series....if you watched the games you cannot say anything other then LBJ let his team down. HE was the reason the Cavs played like shit and played as if they didn't give a fuck. Mike Brown is a terrible coach, obviously, but LBJ is so talented that if he played like he's capable of they can (and do....back to back 60 win seasons, finals, etc) overcome that. LeBron was the one who let them down, he looked like he didn't want to be there at all and not only could you tell this by his expression but by his play. If you follow basketball, you should know LBJ IS the best player in the NBA. His only weak spots are man on man D and a reliable jumper. Both are at least average though, but not up to par with the rest of his game, which goes to show how good he really is.
The Celtics had an advantage at PG with Rondo for sure. Shooting Guard neither team really had an advantage, but I'd give the edge to the Celtics barely. The difference is SF...LBJ vs Pierce. P squared decided to take the series off and LBJ seemed to like that idea and did the same for game 5 and 6. Power forward neither team had the advantage imo. If Brown wasn't so airheaded he would call some plays for Jamison to exploit his range & massive array of face-up and post-moves that would take some pressure off LBJ for once. He's the first legit all-star James has had to play with, and Brown shit the bed there. That was the difference on why a 70% KG owned Jamison so bad. The C position was probably close to equal too.
There's no excuse for James' play in 2 of the most important games of his career. There's obviously about a million different rumors and whatnot going around as to why James played that way -- this easily being the best: http://i40.tinypic.com/23t11si.jpg. For all the talk about 'the elbow', you would think if it was that bad he would try and impact the game in other ways, you know, by giving it everything he has, keeping HIS team pumped and confident, playing good D, doing what he can offensively, but no. He did none of that, and it was painfully evident with his play with a minute left in game 6. I'm really glad people see LBJ for who he really is now - a loser. He's been doing dumbass shit for years now but getting away with it because he's "THE KING". His value came down from the potential to pass Jordan as the greatest player of ALL-TIME, to some (casual fans who don't know any better) people thinking he's not even a franchise player or #1 option. Now people are wondering if he will ever develop that killer instinct that all the greats have -- including a lot of active players like Kobe, all 3 of the big 3 on the Celtics, and the guy who will probably surpass LBJ very soon as the #1 player in the NBA, KEVIN DURANT. Remember that name, he's going to be racking up MVPs starting potentially early as next season at only 21. He already has more clutch in him then LBJ and still hasn't even fully physically developed.
LBJ to celtics won't happen...at least not this season, no way lol. Hypothetically if you did get him, it wouldn't work with Pierce still there. Both of them need the ball to be effective and are used to being the first option on teams, but you can work around that. What really kills the idea of LBJ playing with that lineup is there's no shooters...which LBJ needs for when he's constantly driving and getting double teams. Rondo is still a below average shooter (improved tremendously since he came into the league, but he still has a LONG way to go in that area).
Rondo Allen LBJ Kg Perk
would KILL the lineup of
Rondo LBJ Pierce KG perk
and it's not even close. But like you said, they'd probably get rid of Allen before PP so it isn't happening (ok, LBJ coming to the Celtics in the first place isn't even happening lol).
As for the Cavs-Celtics series....if you watched the games you cannot say anything other then LBJ let his team down. HE was the reason the Cavs played like shit and played as if they didn't give a fuck. Mike Brown is a terrible coach, obviously, but LBJ is so talented that if he played like he's capable of they can (and do....back to back 60 win seasons, finals, etc) overcome that. LeBron was the one who let them down, he looked like he didn't want to be there at all and not only could you tell this by his expression but by his play. If you follow basketball, you should know LBJ IS the best player in the NBA. His only weak spots are man on man D and a reliable jumper. Both are at least average though, but not up to par with the rest of his game, which goes to show how good he really is.
The Celtics had an advantage at PG with Rondo for sure. Shooting Guard neither team really had an advantage, but I'd give the edge to the Celtics barely. The difference is SF...LBJ vs Pierce. P squared decided to take the series off and LBJ seemed to like that idea and did the same for game 5 and 6. Power forward neither team had the advantage imo. If Brown wasn't so airheaded he would call some plays for Jamison to exploit his range & massive array of face-up and post-moves that would take some pressure off LBJ for once. He's the first legit all-star James has had to play with, and Brown shit the bed there. That was the difference on why a 70% KG owned Jamison so bad. The C position was probably close to equal too.
There's no excuse for James' play in 2 of the most important games of his career. There's obviously about a million different rumors and whatnot going around as to why James played that way -- this easily being the best: http://i40.tinypic.com/23t11si.jpg. For all the talk about 'the elbow', you would think if it was that bad he would try and impact the game in other ways, you know, by giving it everything he has, keeping HIS team pumped and confident, playing good D, doing what he can offensively, but no. He did none of that, and it was painfully evident with his play with a minute left in game 6. I'm really glad people see LBJ for who he really is now - a loser. He's been doing dumbass shit for years now but getting away with it because he's "THE KING". His value came down from the potential to pass Jordan as the greatest player of ALL-TIME, to some (casual fans who don't know any better) people thinking he's not even a franchise player or #1 option. Now people are wondering if he will ever develop that killer instinct that all the greats have -- including a lot of active players like Kobe, all 3 of the big 3 on the Celtics, and the guy who will probably surpass LBJ very soon as the #1 player in the NBA, KEVIN DURANT. Remember that name, he's going to be racking up MVPs starting potentially early as next season at only 21. He already has more clutch in him then LBJ and still hasn't even fully physically developed.
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Originally posted by rjssob
Originally posted by OchO_CinCo
cmonnn
now you guys discuss NBA the DAY after I'm gone
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Like the Suns, you didn't show up...
That was a terrible game.
Channing "im only playing because I have the #1 PG feeding me wide open looks every time" Frye couldn't hit an open shot to save his life. Amare decided defense is optional. Grant Hill and J-Rich were the only players who showed up (besides Nash and Dragic who cannot score 40 every night for you)
The game as bad as it was, still leaves a lot of hope for the Suns. The Lakers shot OUT OF THEIR MINDS. They did not miss anything last night. Obviously a lot of that has to do with the defense being played...when your two best players don't play D you're going to have trouble. But it was one of those nights where everything went right for the Lakers. Turnovers turned into assists. Every open or guarded shot was made. The shots that didn't go in? Offensive putbacks. The Lakers couldn't ask for a better game. Everything they did turned to gold. Don't be fooled, with the Lakers catching all the breaks and the Suns playing so poorly in the same game, this series is far from over. I do not think the Suns will advance to the Finals, but would go out of mind if they did. This series can easily go 6 though as having one of the best point guards of all time (and Canadian, double whammy!!!! :neenerneener
who turns scrubs into stars can easily take over.
Originally posted by OchO_CinCo
cmonnn
now you guys discuss NBA the DAY after I'm gone
lame
Like the Suns, you didn't show up...
That was a terrible game.
Channing "im only playing because I have the #1 PG feeding me wide open looks every time" Frye couldn't hit an open shot to save his life. Amare decided defense is optional. Grant Hill and J-Rich were the only players who showed up (besides Nash and Dragic who cannot score 40 every night for you)
The game as bad as it was, still leaves a lot of hope for the Suns. The Lakers shot OUT OF THEIR MINDS. They did not miss anything last night. Obviously a lot of that has to do with the defense being played...when your two best players don't play D you're going to have trouble. But it was one of those nights where everything went right for the Lakers. Turnovers turned into assists. Every open or guarded shot was made. The shots that didn't go in? Offensive putbacks. The Lakers couldn't ask for a better game. Everything they did turned to gold. Don't be fooled, with the Lakers catching all the breaks and the Suns playing so poorly in the same game, this series is far from over. I do not think the Suns will advance to the Finals, but would go out of mind if they did. This series can easily go 6 though as having one of the best point guards of all time (and Canadian, double whammy!!!! :neenerneener
who turns scrubs into stars can easily take over.Edited by OchO_CinCo on May 18, 2010 15:05:36
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durant is awesome. i love that he doesn't need the ball in his hands. that he's humble. that he doesn't jumbo tron watch, or complain about fouls. i love that he can catch and shoot. i love that he can score from anywhere.
but i wouldn't say he's more clutch than lebron. lebron has won playoff series. he's won mvp's. he's been in the finals. durant hasn't done anything yet. he may... but you can't say he's more clutch.
durant is a better puzzle piece than lebron is.... lebron is still a better puzzle. you definitely need to find the right balance of the two. (between being the guy, and one of the guys).
but i wouldn't say he's more clutch than lebron. lebron has won playoff series. he's won mvp's. he's been in the finals. durant hasn't done anything yet. he may... but you can't say he's more clutch.
durant is a better puzzle piece than lebron is.... lebron is still a better puzzle. you definitely need to find the right balance of the two. (between being the guy, and one of the guys).
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winning playoff series, or MVPs has nothing to do with being clutch..
LBJ is better for now, but next season I guarantee you the Thunder will go further then whatever team LBJ is on (unless he really does pair with Wade and Bosh or something stupid). Durant is that good, and has his head on straight unlike LeBroni.
LBJ is better for now, but next season I guarantee you the Thunder will go further then whatever team LBJ is on (unless he really does pair with Wade and Bosh or something stupid). Durant is that good, and has his head on straight unlike LeBroni.
Ocho es tu LOCO! Dude, LBJ is 25 and to say he took the series off is kind of whack...He had 19 rebounds in game 6, you just don't get 19 boards without trying. KG says it best, team chemistry is what wins games and the Cavs just didn't have it in that series. I guess the lesson learned is don't bang other players moms...Unless she is hot!
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Originally posted by rjssob
Ocho es tu LOCO! Dude, LBJ is 25 and to say he took the series off is kind of whack...He had 19 rebounds in game 6, you just don't get 19 boards without trying. KG says it best, team chemistry is what wins games and the Cavs just didn't have it in that series. I guess the lesson learned is don't bang other players moms...Unless she is hot!
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Watch the games man!!!!
Hollow stats are hollow. If you watched the game you would know LBJ didn't give a shit.
Zach Randolph consistently averages some of the best #s in the game. Is he a top 5 player in the league? HELL NO! He's a statwhore.
Hey may have gotten 19 rebounds, but what about the 9 turnovers? The terrible shot selection? The passive play? LBJ is 25, turning 26, so this next season will be his prime. Durant is only 21...5 years is a ton! Durant's offensive game is already more polished then LeBron's.
It's amazing to think the 03 class is already considered vets and are all entering/in their peaks..seems like yesterday they were drafted.
Ocho es tu LOCO! Dude, LBJ is 25 and to say he took the series off is kind of whack...He had 19 rebounds in game 6, you just don't get 19 boards without trying. KG says it best, team chemistry is what wins games and the Cavs just didn't have it in that series. I guess the lesson learned is don't bang other players moms...Unless she is hot!
not this again
Watch the games man!!!!
Hollow stats are hollow. If you watched the game you would know LBJ didn't give a shit.
Zach Randolph consistently averages some of the best #s in the game. Is he a top 5 player in the league? HELL NO! He's a statwhore.
Hey may have gotten 19 rebounds, but what about the 9 turnovers? The terrible shot selection? The passive play? LBJ is 25, turning 26, so this next season will be his prime. Durant is only 21...5 years is a ton! Durant's offensive game is already more polished then LeBron's.
It's amazing to think the 03 class is already considered vets and are all entering/in their peaks..seems like yesterday they were drafted.
I'm not saying anything bad about Durant, but one playoff series doesn't make him the best player in the league. For my money, I'll take Kobe as the best player in the league, LeBron 2nd. I watched every game and what I saw was a team against individuals, but LeBron was still the best player on the court. I think the problem with the Cav's is that the players listen to LeBron, not the coach...He's got his issues, but to know compare him to Zach Randolph, that is just silly...I'm curious, so you would have picked Durant over Oden?
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Originally posted by rjssob
I'm not saying anything bad about Durant, but one playoff series doesn't make him the best player in the league. For my money, I'll take Kobe as the best player in the league, LeBron 2nd. I watched every game and what I saw was a team against individuals, but LeBron was still the best player on the court. I think the problem with the Cav's is that the players listen to LeBron, not the coach...He's got his issues, but to know compare him to Zach Randolph, that is just silly...I'm curious, so you would have picked Durant over Oden?
For those 2 games and those games only, comparing him to Zach is very very accurate. The difference is Zach has made his whole career playing like that.
Hindsight is 20/20. The unanimous choice for the most part (lolparadox) was to go with Oden as great young bigs with potential like Greg had on defense are a lot harder to come by then great wing scorers. With all the injury troubles and everything else (bathroom pics :facepalm going on, it's not even comparable now.
Same thing with Beasley/Rose. Rose being Durant of course..
I'm not saying anything bad about Durant, but one playoff series doesn't make him the best player in the league. For my money, I'll take Kobe as the best player in the league, LeBron 2nd. I watched every game and what I saw was a team against individuals, but LeBron was still the best player on the court. I think the problem with the Cav's is that the players listen to LeBron, not the coach...He's got his issues, but to know compare him to Zach Randolph, that is just silly...I'm curious, so you would have picked Durant over Oden?
For those 2 games and those games only, comparing him to Zach is very very accurate. The difference is Zach has made his whole career playing like that.
Hindsight is 20/20. The unanimous choice for the most part (lolparadox) was to go with Oden as great young bigs with potential like Greg had on defense are a lot harder to come by then great wing scorers. With all the injury troubles and everything else (bathroom pics :facepalm
going on, it's not even comparable now.Same thing with Beasley/Rose. Rose being Durant of course..
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Until Lebron mans up and performs in the playoffs, he'll remain the #2 player in the NBA in my eyes. Kobe isn't getting better now, but he's not over the hill yet. He's still the #1 player in the world, imo.
Sure, Lebron has a pretty mediocre team around him and Kobe has gotten a lot of support the last few seasons, (Fisher, Gasol, Artest, Odom..) but Lebron hasn't played like an MVP in the games that matter, where Kobe has.
Sure, Lebron has a pretty mediocre team around him and Kobe has gotten a lot of support the last few seasons, (Fisher, Gasol, Artest, Odom..) but Lebron hasn't played like an MVP in the games that matter, where Kobe has.
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Originally posted by Forbin
Until Lebron mans up and performs in the playoffs, he'll remain the #2 player in the NBA in my eyes. Kobe isn't getting better now, but he's not over the hill yet. He's still the #1 player in the world, imo.
Sure, Lebron has a pretty mediocre team around him and Kobe has gotten a lot of support the last few seasons, (Fisher, Gasol, Artest, Odom..) but Lebron hasn't played like an MVP in the games that matter, where Kobe has.
replace Fisher with Bynum and your post is legit..
Originally posted by rjssob
Originally posted by OchO_CinCo
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Until Lebron mans up and performs in the playoffs, he'll remain the #2 player in the NBA in my eyes. Kobe isn't getting better now, but he's not over the hill yet. He's still the #1 player in the world, imo.
Sure, Lebron has a pretty mediocre team around him and Kobe has gotten a lot of support the last few seasons, (Fisher, Gasol, Artest, Odom..) but Lebron hasn't played like an MVP in the games that matter, where Kobe has.
replace Fisher with Bynum and your post is legit..
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Fisher is underrated. As long as he isn't forced to defend someone 6 inches taller, he's a helluva defender. Obviously, he can shoot and takes care of the ball, but his D is very underrated. Bynum has been solid this season, but he is OVERrated, still. He's a fucking tank. If you're that size, and can't play in the NBA, you're just an uncoordinated fuck.
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