Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Maddoc
u mad

yes...I'm mad....mad because this place is turning into a fucking childrens playground....if we're gearing the game for public school children then continue the direction of the changes....

if we're gearing it towards people above 13 then stop fucking listening to the cry baby whiners and fucking grow some balls...

Here is what's up..../discussion

I think the main things they'll retroactively punish is not taking 5-6 players from a team that was gutting but the blatant cases like signing guys to a AA team full of CPUs just to give them full 64/72 equipment and then cut them and sign them to the real team. I don't think the mini-mergers from teams who were already gutting or farm teams coming up will really be gone after.

. I guess with people being afraid of retroactive punishments it'll help curb future issues that may pop up or so the reasoning probably goes. Which is good in a way but also it'd be nice if the system didn't suck as much. Still, it's basically a more forceful way of "asking" people to play nice and use good sportsmanship


Then again, this is what happens when very little foresight is put into the game since season 1 and you go day by day without ever pulling on the reigns or changing major things. It seems that catch22 is going to change a lot of that and is shaking things up which is good but it's definitely a shock at the moment because of how hands off and bad at imagining loopholes bort has been. The system has been broken since season 1 but it's only now coming to the forefront

Still, the whole financial system is awful anyways and should just be abolished and EQ free until Bort figures out a better way to handle money. The system was created season 1 with the intents of adding wrinkles to it. However, bort got lazy or sidetracked and left it alone. He never did the math and projected exactly how much money teams of various success levels would make over 10-15 seasons and how much money eq costs would be, the "death spiral" of a team having an offseason and not getting a home playoff game, which makes them poorer and less likely to attract free agents who want eq making them worse as a team, etc... Not to mention he didn't think that with 1year plateau and then decline the money spent doesn't go as far and teams will go through money faster than they earn it. He knew the system was broken which is why he made media revenues.

Now he just says "not everyone is supposed to have full eq" which is a lie that i'm sure he doesn't believe but has to say. Everything in this game has been about being fair to all customers and it's silly that a guy loyal to a consistent 9-7 team who doesn't get home playoff games all 4 games can't get his EQ and his player be worse than everyone else. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Originally posted by chronoaug
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Epic post. The last 2 paragraphs are especially important for someone in charge to look over.

In GLB, money is almost a necessity for championships.

This has a big "war on drugs" feel to it. It punishes a fraction of the offenders (usually just the people who get arbitrarily ratted on) without addressing the underlying issues or coming even close to solving the problem.

Originally posted by w_alloy
This has a big "war on drugs" feel to it. It punishes a fraction of the offenders (usually just the people who get arbitrarily ratted on) without addressing the underlying issues or coming even close to solving the problem.

Great comparison

I should at least say in the Admins' defense they are now seriously looking at proposals to revamp the money system, so hopefully the war on drugs analogy will die soon.

Originally posted by w_alloy
I should at least say in the Admins' defense they are now seriously looking at proposals to revamp the money system, so hopefully the war on drugs analogy will die soon.

I still don't know why Bort doesn't just say

"Sorry guys. I admit that the money system isn't working well and isn't fun. I wanted money to be more useful and strategic early on but the sim needed so much addressing i never had time. I'm just going to eliminate money alltogether while the admins and I work on a plan to bring it back potentially in season 16 and make it better than ever"

Instead we get this little thing which wont' solve anything. It'll just make people look for new loopholes to battle a terrible system

Originally posted by w_alloy
This has a big "war on drugs" feel to it. It punishes a fraction of the offenders (usually just the people who get arbitrarily ratted on) without addressing the underlying issues or coming even close to solving the problem.

I think they will be trying to solve the problem, but want intermediary steps in place until they come up with a good solution...

I know it is wishful thinking, but if they switch EQ ownership to the team, they might as well switch AI/DPC/package ownership to the agent(s) that created them.

Probably NGTH though.

wait. so we're crying because they might actually be enforcing rules. GET THE FUCKING PITCHFORKS BOYS!

seriously though, I don't see this actually getting enforced retroactively. It would be pretty fucked up to do so. I doubt there's an agent in this forum that doesn't have a player that received a going away present from a team that was gutting or made a brief stop somewhere to get EQ loaded. It's a part of the game right now, and we're all guilty of it. If they want to take steps to stop that, that's fine. As long as we can come up with some fair way to stop people and not punish retroactively for something that has been accepted practice, even by teams owned by moderators, then I don't see why not.

Originally posted by chronoaug
I think the main things they'll retroactively punish is not taking 5-6 players from a team that was gutting but the blatant cases like signing guys to a AA team full of CPUs just to give them full 64/72 equipment and then cut them and sign them to the real team.

The problem is that without some sort of automation it's pretty much impossible to spot this happening if they do it in the offseason when no games are played, ie. there is no evidence to the casual observer that they were on a different team.

Originally posted by Vando
The problem is that without some sort of automation it's pretty much impossible to spot this happening if they do it in the offseason when no games are played, ie. there is no evidence to the casual observer that they were on a different team.

Everything is logged I am sure, it is just a matter of reviewing those logs...of course you need someone to look, fishing expeditions would be impossible, but if they have "suspected" teams/players already, it would be easy to compare log files...

True. I know a fair amount of situations but most unfortunately involve halifax because they brag about it not because i hate them or am out to get them. Gart or someone bragged about Kevin Trench getting 72s on that cash team during the preseason, asheme bragged about deadpool getting 72eq on dryden when the whole team was cpu with the exception of 3-4 guys getting eq for hali. Pretty sure someone on hali mentioned the BFM thing too. I know the whole point was "lulz @u" and bort had loopholes in his system but i think other teams have done it without bragging about it and it's not quite as obvious.

Again, am not out to get hali and honestly don't care. I mean, i know bort has said before he doesn't want teams doing those kinds of things to take advantage of the system just because it isn't explicitly worded. It was obviously implied and everyone knew that a team of all CPUs in pro who signs a few guys to give eq to and releases them 5 days later (the limit right?) to go to the real team is against the rules. It's possible to pull off but obviously not supposed to be done. I understand that some people will cheat so others have to cheat to keep up and that's why it has hit a breaking point this season and will only get worse.

I guess part of the reasoning for this is to get people to follow the spirit of the rules rather than scoping through the fine print for a loophole, taking advantage when a fair amount of other teams try to play as legit as possible. I mean, i think there are greater problems and just wish he'd get rid of money until he fixed this shithole and have it all free for awhile and then start everyone on level playing field season 16 when the new system is ready. I dunno. A lot of problems not just equipment related.

Then again, the ceiling of GLB is much lower than a lot of people wish it would be.

Originally posted by chronoaug
True. I know a fair amount of situations but most unfortunately involve halifax because they brag about it not because i hate them or am out to get them. Gart or someone bragged about Kevin Trench getting 72s on that cash team during the preseason, asheme bragged about deadpool getting 72eq on dryden when the whole team was cpu with the exception of 3-4 guys getting eq for hali. Pretty sure someone on hali mentioned the BFM thing too. I know the whole point was "lulz @u" and bort had loopholes in his system but i think other teams have done it without bragging about it and it's not quite as obvious.

O_o

That person who was "bragging about kevin trench getting 72s" was ubasstards. What a ambassador of Halifax's actions!

We left 10s of millions of dollars on BFM. Mostly because ksychic and I were too lazy to send out tons of contract offers, but still. We're really not the culprit here. We like to tears, but we don't cheat in game. There've been maybe a half dozen players in total who have got money from cash teams and then signed with Halifax. In each of those cases it was a "sorry, i'm not going to pay for your 72 gear. If you want to find it elsewhere, be my guest" situation.

sup gart