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mikelj
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608178&pbp_id=6040158

Hey RJ, thanks for my first sack, ITP doesnt play for sacks, he is a centerfielder, but I appreciate you being my first BITCH. HAHAHAHAHA
 
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Originally posted by mikelj
ALL PLAYERS HAVE FLAWS. BUT name a better FS, I am waiting. You cant because ITP is the best in the league. 2 years running. Pretty amazing, CONSIDERING HIS LEVEL. That is my point, pretty easy to be the best when are are at or exceed league avg in level. Not as easy when you are prob at least 5 lvls lower than league avg.


I thought Randey summed it all up pretty well early on in this thread but it is apparent that you and Vegas might be sharing a half of a brain so I don't think anything will sink in. Take the Top 5 teams and list their 5 starting FS's, then put yourself in the everybody else mix!
 
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Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by mikelj

ALL PLAYERS HAVE FLAWS. BUT name a better FS, I am waiting. You cant because ITP is the best in the league. 2 years running. Pretty amazing, CONSIDERING HIS LEVEL. That is my point, pretty easy to be the best when are are at or exceed league avg in level. Not as easy when you are prob at least 5 lvls lower than league avg.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=366822

Maybe not the best in the league, but he plays well.

Comparative stats (Duke : Possible)
Ms Tk : 2:12
Tk/PD Ratio (generally a DB has a low tackle to pd ratio. If it's high either he's not good or his front 7 isn't good): 77/23 : 34/29

It's hard to statistically compare DBs, as I've said. However, having 6 times as many missed tackles is pretty bad. Also, I'm sure that more balls are thrown Possible's way, and he has less PDs than Duke. The best statistical indicator of good DB play is forced incompletion rate (how many times he swats the ball, intercepts it, or knocks it loose from the receiver)

Now I can look through to give you a forced incompletion rate if you want, but if I do and Possible doesn't have the best %, you'll have to concede that he isn't the best. My guess is he isn't even that close with that low of PDs.

Edit: [fixed a smiley bug]


One is he is 7 levels ahead of ITP....2 your team ran and hid once the WPL once announced...3.....The great Duke had 1 tackle against the ABD
 
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Hey pretty sure this dude just dragged you five yards after your teammate missed the tackle, and the rest got lost trying to find where the HB went.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608181&pbp_id=12279045

Have you ever trained strength on your guy? lol

Here's some of the real FS's in the league for you to study:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=70297
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=67960
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=366822
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=221441
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=500050

Outside the two builds I can see, here's some in your conference that actually are great FS's and aren't the only good players on their defense.
 
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My player is better than ALL FS IN THE LEAGUE. PERIOD. I know how to build a FS. I know it hurts RJ. Why fight it? He is a GREAT PLAYER. The best at his position. Has always been a standout, and doesnt sandbag like some. You prob would have beat ABD if he was your FS and ABD had your FS.
 
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Originally posted by randey
Hey pretty sure this dude just dragged you five yards after your teammate missed the tackle, and the rest got lost trying to find where the HB went.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608181&pbp_id=12279045

Have you ever trained strength on your guy? lol

Here's some of the real FS's in the league for you to study:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=70297 -lvl 64
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=67960 -lvl 64
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=366822 -lvl 59
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=221441 -lvl 60
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=500050 -lvl 56...not even close to ITP

Outside the two builds I can see, here's some in your conference that actually are great FS's and aren't the only good players on their defense.


Edited by SheVegas on Jul 18, 2009 11:26:05
Edited by SheVegas on Jul 18, 2009 11:25:43
 
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Originally posted by SheVegas
Originally posted by soapbox

Originally posted by mikelj


ALL PLAYERS HAVE FLAWS. BUT name a better FS, I am waiting. You cant because ITP is the best in the league. 2 years running. Pretty amazing, CONSIDERING HIS LEVEL. That is my point, pretty easy to be the best when are are at or exceed league avg in level. Not as easy when you are prob at least 5 lvls lower than league avg.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=366822

Maybe not the best in the league, but he plays well.

Comparative stats (Duke : Possible)
Ms Tk : 2:12
Tk/PD Ratio (generally a DB has a low tackle to pd ratio. If it's high either he's not good or his front 7 isn't good): 77/23 : 34/29

It's hard to statistically compare DBs, as I've said. However, having 6 times as many missed tackles is pretty bad. Also, I'm sure that more balls are thrown Possible's way, and he has less PDs than Duke. The best statistical indicator of good DB play is forced incompletion rate (how many times he swats the ball, intercepts it, or knocks it loose from the receiver)

Now I can look through to give you a forced incompletion rate if you want, but if I do and Possible doesn't have the best %, you'll have to concede that he isn't the best. My guess is he isn't even that close with that low of PDs.

Edit: [fixed a smiley bug]


One is he is 7 levels ahead of ITP....2 your team ran and hid once the WPL once announced...3.....The great Duke had 1 tackle against the ABD


Yah, because the rest of his team mopped you up before he had a chance to come up to the LOS! FS's should ideally have NO TACKLES.

If the Corner does his job, then the FS doesn't need a tackle, and if the LB's, OL do their jobs, no one gets five yards downfield for a FS to come up on the ballcarrier! Don't you understand that? A FS should have a high pd and int to tackle ratio, not the other way around.
 
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Originally posted by randey
Originally posted by SheVegas

Originally posted by soapbox


Originally posted by mikelj



ALL PLAYERS HAVE FLAWS. BUT name a better FS, I am waiting. You cant because ITP is the best in the league. 2 years running. Pretty amazing, CONSIDERING HIS LEVEL. That is my point, pretty easy to be the best when are are at or exceed league avg in level. Not as easy when you are prob at least 5 lvls lower than league avg.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=366822

Maybe not the best in the league, but he plays well.

Comparative stats (Duke : Possible)
Ms Tk : 2:12
Tk/PD Ratio (generally a DB has a low tackle to pd ratio. If it's high either he's not good or his front 7 isn't good): 77/23 : 34/29

It's hard to statistically compare DBs, as I've said. However, having 6 times as many missed tackles is pretty bad. Also, I'm sure that more balls are thrown Possible's way, and he has less PDs than Duke. The best statistical indicator of good DB play is forced incompletion rate (how many times he swats the ball, intercepts it, or knocks it loose from the receiver)

Now I can look through to give you a forced incompletion rate if you want, but if I do and Possible doesn't have the best %, you'll have to concede that he isn't the best. My guess is he isn't even that close with that low of PDs.

Edit: [fixed a smiley bug]


One is he is 7 levels ahead of ITP....2 your team ran and hid once the WPL once announced...3.....The great Duke had 1 tackle against the ABD


Yah, because the rest of his team mopped you up before he had a chance to come up to the LOS! FS's should ideally have NO TACKLES.

If the Corner does his job, then the FS doesn't need a tackle, and if the LB's, OL do their jobs, no one gets five yards downfield for a FS to come up on the ballcarrier! Don't you understand that? A FS should have a high pd and int to tackle ratio, not the other way around.


ITP does it all
 
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Originally posted by mikelj
My player is better than ALL FS IN THE LEAGUE. PERIOD. I know how to build a FS. I know it hurts RJ. Why fight it? He is a GREAT PLAYER. The best at his position. Has always been a standout, and doesnt sandbag like some. You prob would have beat ABD if he was your FS and ABD had your FS.


We are looking for a player next year to sprint on the field after kickoffs to grab the tee, maybe you and Vegas can fight it out for that spot....
 
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When he is level 60 you all will see we were right...Man some can not handle the truth
 
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Originally posted by rjssob
Originally posted by mikelj

My player is better than ALL FS IN THE LEAGUE. PERIOD. I know how to build a FS. I know it hurts RJ. Why fight it? He is a GREAT PLAYER. The best at his position. Has always been a standout, and doesnt sandbag like some. You prob would have beat ABD if he was your FS and ABD had your FS.


We are looking for a player next year to sprint on the field after kickoffs to grab the tee, maybe you and Vegas can fight it out for that spot....


Yea against us....We did need one since we kicked off more then you guys...LMAO
 
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Originally posted by rjssob
Originally posted by mikelj

My player is better than ALL FS IN THE LEAGUE. PERIOD. I know how to build a FS. I know it hurts RJ. Why fight it? He is a GREAT PLAYER. The best at his position. Has always been a standout, and doesnt sandbag like some. You prob would have beat ABD if he was your FS and ABD had your FS.


We are looking for a player next year to sprint on the field after kickoffs to grab the tee, maybe you and Vegas can fight it out for that spot....


I think you guys better get some Lake players...Combining 2 teams were not enough for yea
 
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See that is the misnomer. Strength isnt as important as speed for your FS if they play centerfield, if they cant get to the guy, you cant make the tackle. Yes my guy will miss a tackle at times, but also makes an extraordinary amount of plays to run down people.
 
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Plus thanks for putting a bunch of 60+ level guys up there, all are inferior to my guy. I love it.
 
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Hey Vegas, does it matter their levels? Didn't mister "ibegood" say he was the best? Levels shouldn't matter, especially at these levels, so whats a couple levels, plus 1 or 3 speed? It takes 5sp's to boost the main attributes, so all they are doing at these levels is pumping SA's, raising stamina, confidence, or whatever attribute they feel needs work on. Their speed / agility / vision has been where it is for some seasons now with only minor changes, I'd bet anything. Even if your FS is a burner, he sucks at everything else, a FS needs a lot more than just speed. I'm not going to sit here and bother to tell you what all he needs to be successful either. I have a feeling if you knew, you'd have had a competitive team some seasons ago with real talent on it.
 
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