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Originally posted by Malachorn
Originally posted by cosmoxl

this is just staying off topic. but, I have to know why several of you are insisting elusive backs are nerfed? The only thing that changed was he made sure that only 1 defender could be faked per tick. why are you guys talking about other things being nerfed, like juke or head fake? I see nothing about the actual strength of those being toned down.


...because we know that it happened, tbh.

No, we don't.



Originally posted by enkidu98
I would hope a distance check is done and the closest player is the one targeted.

Actually, I think it just hits everyone in some sort of progression. Sometimes the closest guy gets nailed, sometimes the furthest guy bites, sometimes many do, sometimes none.

Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by Malachorn

Originally posted by cosmoxl


this is just staying off topic. but, I have to know why several of you are insisting elusive backs are nerfed? The only thing that changed was he made sure that only 1 defender could be faked per tick. why are you guys talking about other things being nerfed, like juke or head fake? I see nothing about the actual strength of those being toned down.


...because we know that it happened, tbh.

No, we don't.



Originally posted by enkidu98

I would hope a distance check is done and the closest player is the one targeted.

Actually, I think it just hits everyone in some sort of progression. Sometimes the closest guy gets nailed, sometimes the furthest guy bites, sometimes many do, sometimes none.

The important question would be what the progression is. Closest to farthest?

Didn't read the thread, but I would hope that it is the defender that gets the worse roll against it.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Didn't read the thread, but I would hope that it is the defender that gets the worse roll against it.

So you are saying all possible defenders make a roll and the one that scores the worst get faked?

Originally posted by wombat killer
Originally posted by Deathblade

Didn't read the thread, but I would hope that it is the defender that gets the worse roll against it.

So you are saying all possible defenders make a roll and the one that scores the worst get faked?

I'm not saying that's how it works, but that's how it should work imo

I would hope it is the defender that is the closest. What would be the point in juking a defender that is not able to make the play anyways?

He was just a dot.

One tick.
One juke.

The way of the HB...

This will be retuned once there is data showing a horribly built player who is not even in position to make a tackle is "juked" instead of the player the HB would realistically be "juking" because the horribly built player rolled the worst roll, when both defensive players lost the roll to the HB.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by wombat killer

Originally posted by Deathblade


Didn't read the thread, but I would hope that it is the defender that gets the worse roll against it.

So you are saying all possible defenders make a roll and the one that scores the worst get faked?

I'm not saying that's how it works, but that's how it should work imo

That sounds terrible.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Because it's obvious.

My RBs were my favorite players. I've watched all of their carries.

My level 38 RB is where it's the most obvious. He went from faking a ton of players on each play, to maybe one or two - at the most.

I've talked to others, and they have the same thought. It's not just a coincidence.

If Bort would have done what he said he did, then the results wouldn't be as obvious as they are right now. Gart888 has noticed the same thing, so has Taurran and TyrannyVaunt.

Word. The Nerf bat took my back from nearly 18ypc down to 7ypc. My back looks like a different back. He is more of a speed back now before I invested in fake elements.

I can tell you the fake element of the game was definitely modified - and it wasn't just a 1 fake per tick change. Because now my guy doesn't fake any more than 3 guys a game. When he was faking 1, 2, 3 or many more per play before.

So to say he changed the fake to only fire once per tick... When there are 20 to 50 ticks per play is retarded.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by wombat killer

Originally posted by Deathblade


Didn't read the thread, but I would hope that it is the defender that gets the worse roll against it.

So you are saying all possible defenders make a roll and the one that scores the worst get faked?

I'm not saying that's how it works, but that's how it should work imo

I disagree. how it should work is that all defenders that could possibly be faked are rolled, of the ones that fail the avoid fake roll, the defender who poses the most threat is actually faked. I wouldn't want it to be the one that fails the worst because he could be little threat to the ball carrier.

Originally posted by JHight
I love that we are only 2 games past the FIX and people are saying hidden changes occurred based on their extensive watching of all 2 games that have happened since.

Rather than spreading speculation as facts, you should just get over the fact that Bort didn't hurt the sim at all.

I have watched my guy go from faking several players per carry... To faking one, two maybe three players per game.
There was a significant change... And I have watched my guy play in 3 games now - thank you very little.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Because it's obvious.

My RBs were my favorite players. I've watched all of their carries.

My level 38 RB is where it's the most obvious. He went from faking a ton of players on each play, to maybe one or two - at the most.

I've talked to others, and they have the same thought. It's not just a coincidence.

If Bort would have done what he said he did, then the results wouldn't be as obvious as they are right now. Gart888 has noticed the same thing, so has Taurran and TyrannyVaunt.

I don't get the 'But I was juking everyone on the team, every play before,' defense. Why should you be able to juke entire teams on every play? It seems a bit more reasonable to juke 1 or 2 or 3 guys every play. That's still pretty dominant, not every play needs to be highlight reel material. Even Barry Sanders and Gayle Sayers had plays where they couldn't juke ANYONE at all.

So maybe we should create a new position.
Jukebait ftw

Seriously 1 juke per tick sounds like it should work for the current sim. Realistically it seems kind of high. How many real HBs juke with every stride? I am guessing that the combination of lots of juke SAs and VAs makes more than one juke per play possible.

Originally posted by wombat killer
Originally posted by Deathblade

Originally posted by wombat killer


Originally posted by Deathblade



Didn't read the thread, but I would hope that it is the defender that gets the worse roll against it.

So you are saying all possible defenders make a roll and the one that scores the worst get faked?

I'm not saying that's how it works, but that's how it should work imo

That sounds terrible.

Why? Think about the Bears D. (Not may favorite team, just the first that came to mind.) Urlacher and Mike Brown are Closing in on Tea Baggins running Strong I Off Tackle (Lance Briggs got cut blocked). Urlacher is 4 yards away and Brown is 8 yards away. Tea Baggins jukes. Why should Urlacher be the one who should get faked? Even though Brown is further away, I would still expect Brown to bite before Urlacher did even though Urlacher is 'the bigger threat'....