health care is overrated in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Mindfreak
Originally posted by Zeke Woodson
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While I am a fan of democracy I dont know where it has been established that all socialist/communist ideas are bad.
This statement is a fucking disgrace to every American to have fought wars for this country's freedom. YOUR freedom.
Your statement is straight out of the mouth of someone who just finished a 7th grade world history class. Your problem is that you cant separate the difference between the ideals of communism/socialism and the deranged people who lead them.
Typical selfish elitist liberal statement.
Oh, I know all about people like you. I spotted it right from the beginning of the season.
Originally posted by Zeke Woodson
Originally posted by
While I am a fan of democracy I dont know where it has been established that all socialist/communist ideas are bad.
This statement is a fucking disgrace to every American to have fought wars for this country's freedom. YOUR freedom.
Your statement is straight out of the mouth of someone who just finished a 7th grade world history class. Your problem is that you cant separate the difference between the ideals of communism/socialism and the deranged people who lead them.
Typical selfish elitist liberal statement.
Oh, I know all about people like you. I spotted it right from the beginning of the season.
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bobbydigital66
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Lol. Yeah youre right we will take Cuba for example. A communist nation that funnels all of its money to the top so that the rich get richer...wait doesnt that sound like the US?
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Come on, Mindlessfreak, admit it..................you're a direct product of our ever-increasing liberal-teaching universities.
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Im a cornhusker. Its not about being liberal or conservative its about being right. Your way of thinking got us to where we are today so maybe its worth taking a crack at something different.
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Originally posted by Mindfreak
Your problem is that you cant separate the difference between the ideals of communism/socialism and the deranged people who lead them.
This is a very valid point. On paper they seem perfect, it's the execution that has been flawed. Actually, there are a lot of church groups that practice socialism/communism. I done some business with one while in Missouri. They are completely self sufficient, and have businesses like window cleaning, power washing, etc. The church owns everything, and everyone has their needs taken care of. Individually, they don't own any property. All of the houses look alike. It's actually a neat little place. We've also witnessed the Branch Davidians, we all know how that ended.
And Jonestown, what a tragedy.
Your problem is that you cant separate the difference between the ideals of communism/socialism and the deranged people who lead them.
This is a very valid point. On paper they seem perfect, it's the execution that has been flawed. Actually, there are a lot of church groups that practice socialism/communism. I done some business with one while in Missouri. They are completely self sufficient, and have businesses like window cleaning, power washing, etc. The church owns everything, and everyone has their needs taken care of. Individually, they don't own any property. All of the houses look alike. It's actually a neat little place. We've also witnessed the Branch Davidians, we all know how that ended.
And Jonestown, what a tragedy.
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I'm not interested in socialism for this country. I don't hold any such belief that the government is capable of deciding what is good for me and what isn't.
The problem is, the government is already doing this, and has been for a very long time.
It started with the Federal Reserve, and continued on with the Controlled Substances Act, Prohibition, the Social Security Act, and more and more and more, and along the way corporations bought in with the USDA regulations, and the Food and Drug Administration, and then came farming subsidies, paying people to not grow crops, the McCarthy laws, the FBI and the CIA operating outside the law, and more and more consolidation of industry until multinational giants with coffers big enough to throw a few million at government officials and write it off as they would a renovation project suddenly gained complete control over not only the government, but the news media outlets whose responsibility was to keep us informed on what the government was doing - and also along the way, we stopped caring, because from the outside, it looked like things were rosy and everyone was prospering and the WHOLE FUCKING TIME we were getting fat, from the dawn of easy revolving credit in the 70's until now we didn't realize we were borrowing the "American dream", we weren't actually earning it. And now the deck is so completely stacked against the individual entrepreneur and for the existing conglomerations that we as American citizens, if we don't already have a piece of that wealth, have no chance of ever getting a piece of that wealth unless we get ridiculously lucky, because there's always someone out there with more money than you who sees you as a threat and will stamp you out by whatever means necessary.
The problem is, the government is already doing this, and has been for a very long time.
It started with the Federal Reserve, and continued on with the Controlled Substances Act, Prohibition, the Social Security Act, and more and more and more, and along the way corporations bought in with the USDA regulations, and the Food and Drug Administration, and then came farming subsidies, paying people to not grow crops, the McCarthy laws, the FBI and the CIA operating outside the law, and more and more consolidation of industry until multinational giants with coffers big enough to throw a few million at government officials and write it off as they would a renovation project suddenly gained complete control over not only the government, but the news media outlets whose responsibility was to keep us informed on what the government was doing - and also along the way, we stopped caring, because from the outside, it looked like things were rosy and everyone was prospering and the WHOLE FUCKING TIME we were getting fat, from the dawn of easy revolving credit in the 70's until now we didn't realize we were borrowing the "American dream", we weren't actually earning it. And now the deck is so completely stacked against the individual entrepreneur and for the existing conglomerations that we as American citizens, if we don't already have a piece of that wealth, have no chance of ever getting a piece of that wealth unless we get ridiculously lucky, because there's always someone out there with more money than you who sees you as a threat and will stamp you out by whatever means necessary.
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Originally posted by griffin8r
I'm not interested in socialism for this country. I don't hold any such belief that the government is capable of deciding what is good for me and what isn't.
The problem is, the government is already doing this, and has been for a very long time.
It started with the Federal Reserve, and continued on with the Controlled Substances Act, Prohibition, the Social Security Act, and more and more and more, and along the way corporations bought in with the USDA regulations, and the Food and Drug Administration, and then came farming subsidies, paying people to not grow crops, the McCarthy laws, the FBI and the CIA operating outside the law, and more and more consolidation of industry until multinational giants with coffers big enough to throw a few million at government officials and write it off as they would a renovation project suddenly gained complete control over not only the government, but the news media outlets whose responsibility was to keep us informed on what the government was doing - and also along the way, we stopped caring, because from the outside, it looked like things were rosy and everyone was prospering and the WHOLE FUCKING TIME we were getting fat, from the dawn of easy revolving credit in the 70's until now we didn't realize we were borrowing the "American dream", we weren't actually earning it. And now the deck is so completely stacked against the individual entrepreneur and for the existing conglomerations that we as American citizens, if we don't already have a piece of that wealth, have no chance of ever getting a piece of that wealth unless we get ridiculously lucky, because there's always someone out there with more money than you who sees you as a threat and will stamp you out by whatever means necessary.
Fantastic post, griffin8r.
But it goes back to one of my points, which is..... why are we deciding to continue to do it this way?
Let the shit fail so we can start over.
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I'm not interested in socialism for this country. I don't hold any such belief that the government is capable of deciding what is good for me and what isn't.
The problem is, the government is already doing this, and has been for a very long time.
It started with the Federal Reserve, and continued on with the Controlled Substances Act, Prohibition, the Social Security Act, and more and more and more, and along the way corporations bought in with the USDA regulations, and the Food and Drug Administration, and then came farming subsidies, paying people to not grow crops, the McCarthy laws, the FBI and the CIA operating outside the law, and more and more consolidation of industry until multinational giants with coffers big enough to throw a few million at government officials and write it off as they would a renovation project suddenly gained complete control over not only the government, but the news media outlets whose responsibility was to keep us informed on what the government was doing - and also along the way, we stopped caring, because from the outside, it looked like things were rosy and everyone was prospering and the WHOLE FUCKING TIME we were getting fat, from the dawn of easy revolving credit in the 70's until now we didn't realize we were borrowing the "American dream", we weren't actually earning it. And now the deck is so completely stacked against the individual entrepreneur and for the existing conglomerations that we as American citizens, if we don't already have a piece of that wealth, have no chance of ever getting a piece of that wealth unless we get ridiculously lucky, because there's always someone out there with more money than you who sees you as a threat and will stamp you out by whatever means necessary.
Fantastic post, griffin8r.
But it goes back to one of my points, which is..... why are we deciding to continue to do it this way?
Let the shit fail so we can start over.
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Originally posted by Zeke Woodson
Fantastic post, griffin8r.
But it goes back to one of my points, which is..... why are we deciding to continue to do it this way?
Let the shit fail so we can start over.
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Would you really prefer "starting over" in the midst of anarchy? Do you really know what you're asking for here? You're asking for a situation where there will be zero government, which means no order whatsoever. You think you can stockpile and ride it out? How will you do that when people will be happy to shoot you dead over a can of beans? You think you can pile up firearms and defend your little house on the hilltop, with your little garden? How will you do that when you run out of bullets fighting off a huge mob who caught wind of your little fortress?
Anarchy is a concept many love to talk about, but few truly understand. There are places in this world where anarchy is the rule - places like Afghanistan, like Somalia, like the rural areas in Colombia. Places where the vacuum created by a lack of government has been filled by whoever has the most resources to amass an army of their own, and their word becomes law, at gunpoint.
You think we have problems now, imagine the whole US collapsing into a thousand banana republics....
That's what happens if we "let the shit fail"...
Fantastic post, griffin8r.
But it goes back to one of my points, which is..... why are we deciding to continue to do it this way?
Let the shit fail so we can start over.
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Would you really prefer "starting over" in the midst of anarchy? Do you really know what you're asking for here? You're asking for a situation where there will be zero government, which means no order whatsoever. You think you can stockpile and ride it out? How will you do that when people will be happy to shoot you dead over a can of beans? You think you can pile up firearms and defend your little house on the hilltop, with your little garden? How will you do that when you run out of bullets fighting off a huge mob who caught wind of your little fortress?
Anarchy is a concept many love to talk about, but few truly understand. There are places in this world where anarchy is the rule - places like Afghanistan, like Somalia, like the rural areas in Colombia. Places where the vacuum created by a lack of government has been filled by whoever has the most resources to amass an army of their own, and their word becomes law, at gunpoint.
You think we have problems now, imagine the whole US collapsing into a thousand banana republics....
That's what happens if we "let the shit fail"...
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You misunderstand me.....and you equate no bailouts for assured anarchy. How do you know this? Seriously, spell out the steps as you know they would happen if we made no bailouts.
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You also know as well as I do that the government CAN NOT continue to prop up failed private businesses. You know this.
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