Warrior General Games

we need to simplify. what is important to each skill position and what isnt. tackles forced fumbles and TFLs are obviously the bread and butter of NTs and LBs. DTs and DEs go with tack FF TFL and sacks. CBs in my opinion are measured by PDs and INTs. who knows why a qb will throw to one side or the other, but in my opinion no CB is elected to the pro bowl without a substancial amount of INT or PD. A cb may be an excellent defender, but if he doesnt put up the money stats he shouldnt be elected imo.

As far as CB's go, we should look at them just like real life. Yes, stats are nice, but not the final judge. The best indication is how the perform against top WR talent. This process is not as easy as looking at stats, but really, that defines a CB's ability. Shutting down a Randy Moss is much more impressive than intercepting a Rex Grossman errant pass.

Maybe the solution lies in having conference all pro teams. is it as fun? maybe not. but you play every team in your conference and can have an informed opinion about how good a cb is based off of first hand experience, not just numbers. when trying to select all-pros from between conferences, you have to go by stats alone pretty much.

MrMoose...

i'd say that the ball would get spread threw out the WR's and the CB's more evenly instead of the ball constantly going to 1.

and yes, it takes 10 yards for the first... so 5 x 3 = 15... hence, moving the ball at will against that CB if they wanted to. BTW, i have given up 0 TD's threw the air too, thats just me tho.

Also, your in a different conference. so comparing team D isnt all that effective. the one thing you can look at is if one CB is being picked on or not.

and Mornacale, your right about "internet pretend football".. lol. everyone has to take this discussion with a light heart, its not like this is our kid out there playing ball. This is just how i feel a CB should be preforming. even if my CB didnt have low stats might still be arguing that point, if there is a better starting CB with low stats out there, by all means, vote him in. its not like im pushing for my guy only, im pushing for any CB thats lights out and not getting the recognition he deserves.

Vexxet, yes, PD's and Ints are important for a CB. but you can look at tackles and assume... "hey wow.. 75+ tackles? he's getting passed on a lot, he's getting way more chances to get an PD or intercept the ball." As i said before, i could set my coverage to medium and watch the stats roll in, but that would be detrimental to my team, so im not going to do that. i'd rather shut down that teams receiver when ever i cover him.

i think Jjo13 said it nicely. all tho, that would require watching a lot of replay.

Justin..... I think you are trying too hard to relate stats from this game to stats from real life.

No CB in the NFL, regardless of how good they are only averages 1.5 tackles per game.
Some very good corners like Marcus Trufant, Champ Bailey, Nate Clements, and Darrelle Revis actually have high amount of tackles. Clements had 90 and he is certainly a pro bowl type player.

The thing is that the stats from GLB don't translate to the real world.... Your corner and guys like him are having great years no doubt, we just disagree on how guys should be judged.

Flavor Flav and Sticky Ricky make plays.... ESPN3 Tillman is a combo of both sets of corners..... and guys like Lorenzo are also good.

Originally posted by nastynate24

Flavor Flav and Sticky Ricky make plays.... ESPN3 Tillman is a combo of both sets of corners..... and guys like Lorenzo are also good.

Thats the thing, they make plays because they get a lot of chances to make plays. shutdown corners make plays also, when the ball comes their way. but it doesn't because they are draped over their WR. so, they make plays AND limit the WR / offensive yards.

So imagine the plays you'd get with 2 guys absolutely locked on their guys. the QB would be forced into smaller windows, instead of having an outlet guy.

Originally posted by justin5745
Originally posted by nastynate24


Flavor Flav and Sticky Ricky make plays.... ESPN3 Tillman is a combo of both sets of corners..... and guys like Lorenzo are also good.

Thats the thing, they make plays because they get a lot of chances to make plays. shutdown corners make plays also, when the ball comes their way. but it doesn't because they are draped over their WR. so, they make plays AND limit the WR / offensive yards.

So imagine the plays you'd get with 2 guys absolutely locked on their guys. the QB would be forced into smaller windows, instead of having an outlet guy.

Exactly why our CB's have made plays and we have given up the least amount of passing yards in the league. Great defenses usually have several pro bowlers.

So I went back and counted 14 of Ricky's tackles were on running plays and one additional tackle was on a receiver who caught a ball that my LB was covering. I stopped watching pass replays after that. Who knows how many of his other tackles were on someone else's receiver. Its too painstaking of a process. However that is a factor that still confuses the issue. Help-side defense.

Originally posted by justin5745
Originally posted by davedog32


what if a corner gets most of his tackles on special teams.

then i'd ask what the starting CB is doing on special teams. thats what backups are for.


Originally posted by tisichase

as far as im concerned, i'd rather have the guy that can create 10 turnovers and play good coverage than a guy who has caused little turnovers and played great coverage. Turnovers have won us many games.

so during the year, a guy created 10 turn overs... BUT during the same year, he got burned 10 times for TD's because he only plays decent coverage but not lock down. a lot of good those turn overs did. i can already see that my argument for a CB with low numbers but shuts his side of the field down isnt going to fly, you people are all so in love with numbers even tho for a CB its not all about stats.

become a LB if you want those stats to mean something. you think that a real team in the NFL would keep you if halfway threw the season you had 75 tackles? No, thats a hole in your defense, it means people are picking on you and gaining easy yards. those Ints and batted balls are a product of people throwing your way all the time giving you the chance.

You must have completely missed my point... The corner im reffering to (flavor flav) has allowed 0 TD's on him all year and has 10 turnovers. He might have more catches on him, but they don't turn into big gains. Reason being he is aggressive and goes for the game changer. It has payed off for us all year.

Originally posted by vexxet
we need to simplify. what is important to each skill position and what isnt. tackles forced fumbles and TFLs are obviously the bread and butter of NTs and LBs. DTs and DEs go with tack FF TFL and sacks. CBs in my opinion are measured by PDs and INTs. who knows why a qb will throw to one side or the other, but in my opinion no CB is elected to the pro bowl without a substancial amount of INT or PD. A cb may be an excellent defender, but if he doesnt put up the money stats he shouldnt be elected imo.


couldn't have said it any better.

Why are there no stats for yards allowed on D? This would give us a clearer look at whose defense is most effective, and therefore has pro-bowl type players. I'm going to add ours up and post them.

For the Bulldogs, I have 2011 through ll games, so 182.8 yards per game. Anyone else?

Originally posted by jjo13
For the Bulldogs, I have 2011 through ll games, so 182.8 yards per game. Anyone else?

Actually, the league leaders page gives you all of those stats

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_stats.pl?league_id=30&conference_id=0&playoffs=0

On the passing page, you have yards allowed per game on the right side, and it is the same for the rushing one. And I do agree, your bulldogs have a great defense. Seems all the improved teams this year got solid defenses.

Those "money stats" cant come if he doesn't get passed to. shutdowns are getting penalized for being just that. yet, when they do get passed to they make something happen.

You cant go on team D stats to see how one person does. there have been many great pro bowl players on bad teams in the past. And please, I'm not saying that anyones team here is bad, im just using that as an example. i really truly do not want this to turn into a "your team sucks" thread. its not my intent.

Originally posted by jjo13
Why are there no stats for yards allowed on D? This would give us a clearer look at whose defense is most effective, and therefore has pro-bowl type players. I'm going to add ours up and post them.

Just clicky on the category and they are sortable as well. For example scroll to the bottom to find the best pass defense

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_stats.pl?league_id=30&conference_id=0&stat=passing&sort=passing_yards_allowed/games&playoffs=0

edit: or run defense

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_stats.pl?league_id=30&conference_id=0&stat=rushing&sort=rushing_yards_allowed/games&playoffs=0
Originally posted by justin5745
You cant go on team D stats to see how one person does. there have been many great pro bowl players on bad teams in the past. And please, I'm not saying that anyones team here is bad, im just using that as an example. i really truly do not want this to turn into a "your team sucks" thread. its not my intent.

Don't worry. We won't fit you with concrete shoes just yet. Its an ambiguous proposition to define quality through limited quantitative statistics. Plus there is that silly emotional attachment to familiar players. Admittedly, I am likely to give more credit to players in my conference than in the other based upon known strength and comparable performances. Its won't be a "your team sucks" thead, just a "your player sucks" thread. jk