Warrior General Games

Ogre Kaye (OT) - level 36

Overall - Blocking: 51 - 54

Strength: 64.07
Speed: 47.12
Agility: 56.91
Blocking: 62.07
Vision: 49.07
Carrying: 10
Confidence: 35.71
Stamina: 44.09
Catching: 9
Jumping: 9
Tackling: 27.09
Throwing: 7
Kicking: 10
Punting: 8

Here are my guys

Guard 11 Overall 30 Blocking 39
Strength 66.7
Speed 11
Agility 20.5
Jumping 9
Stamina 17.5
Vision 12.5
Confidence 20.7
Blocking 40.7
Tackling 12.5
Throwing 8
Catching 9
Carrying 8
Kicking 8
Punting 8

C 34 Overall 51 Blocking 57
Strength 76.06
Speed 32.46
Agility 56.03
Jumping 8
Stamina 48.63
Vision 32.84
Confidence 32.02
Blocking 68.32
Tackling 15.81
Throwing 8
Catching 9
Carrying 9
Kicking 7
Punting 9

C 27 Overall 48 Blocking 57
Strength 80.75
Speed 25.12
Agility 51.41
Jumping 8
Stamina 49
Vision 21.38
Confidence 19.8
Blocking 66.89
Tackling 14.95
Throwing 8
Catching 10
Carrying 8
Kicking 8
Punting 8

G 33 Overall 51 Blocking 57
Strength 65.35
Speed 37.59
Agility 51.02
Jumping 9
Stamina 45.68
Vision 27.49
Confidence 38.05
Blocking 69.7
Tackling 17.13
Throwing 9
Catching 9
Carrying 8
Kicking 10
Punting 9

OT 35 Overall 48 Blocking 54
Strength 62.29
Speed 36.69
Agility 52.25
Jumping 10
Stamina 46.16
Vision 51.62
Confidence 28.54
Blocking 61.27
Tackling 24.93
Throwing 8
Catching 8
Carrying 9
Kicking 7
Punting 10

OT 6 Overall 21 Blocking 33
Strength 19
Speed 14
Agility 17
Jumping 10
Stamina 14.5
Vision 12
Confidence 12
Blocking 54
Tackling 12.5
Throwing 9
Catching 8
Carrying 8
Kicking 8
Punting 8

I made a LV 1 and threw everything in tackling, maybe it will help a baseline.

The difference between 10 tackling and 26 tackling was nothing on the bars, 12/15 for both

Well, my results are still only about 90% accurate, but when off they're always close...

You can use a million different models, and get a few different data points that are wrong. Nothing is perfect, but I think the conclusions are quite clear:


For the blocking bar, something along the lines of...

0.2*STR + 0.42*BLK + 0.1*AGI + 0.1*CONF + 0.07*VIS + 3
or
0.21*STR + 0.46*BLK + 0.1*AGI + 0.1*CONF + 0.07*VIS

work really well. The latter just spreads that 3 across strength and blocking..

Thus it takes 15 strength to move the bar, 6-7 blocking to move the bar, 30 agility, 30 conf, over 40 vision.



When I look at the overall bars, I'm seeing no major differences across positions. What I'm finding is something like...

Strength 0.171448042
Blocking 0.142170238
Agility 0.184115072
Vision 0.090454058
Confidence 0.180340944
Tackling 0.057557981
Stamina 0.180880099


I really don't like tackling in there. But whatever, the point to make about the overall bar is that it's very even. Strength, blocking, agility, confidence and stamina all move it well. Vision isn't as important.


Speed actually showed up if I took tackling out..

Strength 0.189509129
Blocking 0.150404004
Agility 0.166137928
Vision 0.058986864
Confidence 0.161627095
Stamina 0.163147963
Speed 0.095809368


Once again, str/blk/agi/conf/sta are about the same, with vision far behind.



I'm not satisfied with the overall results.


What's bugging me most is that the formula isn't exact, nor is it changing whatsoever as I add more data. If it is using the 8-10s in the stuff I'm not inputting, this is all constant, thus would be absorbed into the "+3" at the end, which didn't solve anything.

The other possibility is that height and/or weight come into play, or that the linear model is simple incorrect.


However the relationships that come up I think are, for the most part, correct.

If you have any other model propositions, let me know.


A few ideas would be: actual skill point value (including caps...), including height/weight/level.

Originally posted by Octowned


A few ideas would be: actual skill point value (including caps...), including height/weight/level.

I seriously doubt height/weight or skill point value are in the equation.

Its possible there is no integer added at the end of the equation, but rather for each stat along the way.
So a form like:
0.2*(STR+X) + 0.42*(BLK+X) + 0.1*(AGI+X) + 0.1*(CONF+X) + 0.07*(VIS+X)
where X is most likely 1 or 3

Also it seems likely to me the total modifier to all the stats would equal 1.00 added together so that the bars would max out at 100 (or 99).
Your formulas are close, .94 in your version without an integer added at the end, maybe whatever is off by the final 0.06 is the cause, it could be very slight modifiers to all the other stats not being used, something as low as 0.02, would be 2 even at skill level 100, and in itself not able to move the bar even one +3 step, so it would never be measureable. Though i would think it would be designed with atleast a 0.03 modifier so it would eventually gain one 3pt chunk when maxxed out at 100. That would leave 2 stats at 0.03 each to finish the modifiers out to the 1.00 mark. Maybe stamina and confidence are used in this.
Hope i'm making sense, its late and i'm rambling

The flaw might be the system used to round the bars to the nearest 3, its hard to tell the ranges.

is 54, mean 54-57, or is it rounded so its 52.5-55.5

Thanks for doing this Oct. Really interesting results.

This will influence the direction I take with my new G next season.

I'll thrown my 2 lvl 36 Gs and lvl 13 OT into the mix:

Guard 1: lvl 36
OVR/BLK: 54/60 (both light green)

Strength: 67.16
Blocking: 66.76
Speed: 35.07
Tackling: 24.55
Agility: 53.46
Throwing: 7
Jumping: 9
Catching: 7
Stamina: 46.46
Carrying: 9
Vision: 45.06
Kicking: 7
Confidence: 45.16
Punting: 10
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Guard 2: Lvl 36
OVR/BLK: 54/60 (ligh green/dark green)

Strength: 70.04
Blocking: 68.04
Speed: 35.6
Tackling: 25.69
Agility: 51.27
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 7
Catching: 7
Stamina: 49.09
Carrying: 7
Vision: 48.49
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 49.41
Punting: 8

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OT: Lvl 13
OVER/BLK: 33/42 (yellow/light green)

Strength: 51.8
Blocking: 49.8
Speed: 13
Tackling: 16
Agility: 48.8
Throwing: 9
Jumping: 10
Catching: 8
Stamina: 20
Carrying: 8
Vision: 23.8
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 16.8
Punting: 8

All that is w/o equipment of course.

Made a test one
Strength: 20
Blocking: 35
Speed: 8
Tackling: 10
Agility: 10
Throwing: 10
Jumping: 8
Catching: 8
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 8
Vision: 10
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 10
Punting: 9

Blocking bar=24

Another Test
Strength: 35
Blocking: 22
Speed: 8
Tackling: 10
Agility: 10
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 8
Catching: 8
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 10
Vision: 10
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 10
Punting: 8

Blocking Bar 24

3rd Test

Strength: 20
Blocking: 20
Speed: 8
Tackling: 10
Agility: 25
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 8
Catching: 9
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 9
Vision: 10
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 10
Punting: 10

21 blocking bar

Strength: 15
Blocking: 38
Speed: 8
Tackling: 10
Agility: 10
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 8
Catching: 10
Stamina: 10
Carrying: 10
Vision: 10
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 10
Punting: 9

blocking bar=24

Strength: 43 Blocking: 82
Speed: 9 Tackling: 13.4
Agility: 13.4 Throwing: 8
Jumping: 8 Catching: 8
Stamina: 22.4 Carrying: 8
Vision: 13.4 Kicking: 9
Confidence: 33.4 Punting: 8
Blocking Bar=51
found on the marketplace

Center
51/60

Strength 75.06 (+0)
Speed 33.91 (+0)
Agility 46.92 (+0)
Jumping 8 (+0)
Mental Attributes
Stamina 41.56 (+0)
Vision 48.69 (+0)
Confidence 35.09 (+0)
Football Skills
Blocking 73.06 (+0)
Tackling 15.81 (+0)
Throwing 10 (+0)
Catching 8 (+0)
Carrying 7 (+0)
Kicking 9 (+0)
Punting 7 (+0)


G
51/57
Strength 66.27 (+0)
Speed 48.13 (+0)
Agility 51.12 (+0)
Jumping 10 (+0)
Mental Attributes
Stamina 42.94 (+0)
Vision 45.04 (+0)
Confidence 41.27 (+0)
Football Skills
Blocking 64.27 (+0)
Tackling 17.21 (+0)
Throwing 8.17 (+0)
Catching 7 (+0)
Carrying 7 (+0)
Kicking 8 (+0)

Punting 10 (+0)


OT
51/57

Strength 64.71 (+0)
Speed 46.7 (+0)
Agility 57.07 (+0)
Jumping 8.95 (+0)
Mental Attributes
Stamina 42.57 (+0)
Vision 41.3 (+0)
Confidence 30.3 (+0)
Football Skills
Blocking 68.07 (+0)
Tackling 25.09 (+0)
Throwing 8 (+0)
Catching 10 (+0)
Carrying 10 (+0)
Kicking 7 (+0)
Punting 7

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my first player I ever made, don't larf.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=336057

my first player I ever made, don't larf.

Retire him.