Originally posted by cwisler
Originally posted by Dirkdolan
Ok, I'm actually to lazy to post today, so i'll try to make my points quick.
Of course i cant watch EVERY play, I just look at the recievers plays and see if they're making the catches vs me. If they do, i write it down. That simple.
You're taking the term "Shut Down" to literal. Nobody,whether it be GLB, NFL, NCAA can cover a WR the whole game with out someone getting open. There is no defense for a perfect pass. Everyone knows that. The term "Shut Down" is a loose term. It refers to a CB that, for the most part, can contain a top WR threat for the majority of a game. Which, is what my CB is doing this season. If you have a Wr that avg's a 100 yrds a game, and you hold him to 20 yrds that game, he's been shut down. Plain and simple.
A bad QB can be counteracted by an outstanding WR. All of these WR's running around with high speed and agility, what's the point? Isn't part of the reason you spec in those skills are so you can break on the ball? Most starting QB's at this lvl usually have pretty good vision and can get the ball there or at least close enough for the receiver to make a play. QB's aren't the issue.
DB's and Wr's dont need help? what are you smoking? If by help you mean double coverage, or a safety over the top, then yeah your right, a great CB doesn't always need that. This is football, every position is affected by other positions. That's the beauty of the game. If a Wr doesn't have an Oline that can give his QB time, how is he ever going to get the ball? If the D-Line doesn't get pressure, then the WR will get open at some point, you cant run with one forever. No one can. Like i said before, you can't defend a perfect pass. It's common knowledge that a DB is only expected to cover a WR for the first 4 secs of a play, if the play proceeds longer that usually means the D is not getting a pass rush and the play is breaking down. Vice versa for the Wr's. Big plays for Wr's happen on broken coverages and when the QB has to much time to throw the football. If a WR doesn't have time to run his route, then it's pretty safe bet he's not getting the ball.
Yes, there will be times that the Wr is overlooked, i said that already. But, if that Wr is having good game, he will always be the primary target and first read, so, he shouldn't get overlooked often if he's having a good game. If he's not, and every time a QB looks his way and he's covered, then obviously the QB isn't going to look his way as often. That's part of the game, man. That's part of the strategy.
I never said that Wr's have get seperation to get a catch, so I'm not sure what your point was with that remark.
Wr's, TE's whatever are open EVERY play at some point. That holds true in RL, and in GLB. Once again, you're taking the term Shut down to literal. It's not possible to hold down receivers every play. But i explained that already.
Finally, let me break it down nice and easy for you Wr's out there, again. yes, sometimes Qb's wont see you, sometimes the Oline wont block, sometimes the D wont get a rush. It happens. Great players make great plays on a consistant basis. If he broke coverage and got open once, he'll do it again, and the QB will find him at some point, unless you're not great, you're not consistant. that simple. If you're better than the CB, you will get the ball
So, to be quite honest, I see one somewhat valid response to my post.
I just want to start off by saying, you cannot compare GLB to real life football. GLB is limited football, only so much is/can be coded.
In GLB, a good WR cannot counteract a bad QB, there is no way possible with the coding currently in place.
Also, if you could cite your source as to the 'true' definition of a shutdown CB, that'd be nice, otherwise people will have different views on the terms just like anything else that is not 'proven'.
As for the statement that CB/WR do not need help, you must have misread my post.
Originally posted by cwisler
Thirdly, a good DB does not need help from LB/S/DL to cover a WR. A good WR does not need help to get open against a CB, that's a 1 on 1 matchup that will never be added to pbp in text. So your point there is invalid.
And referring to GLB and real life is useless, because it is nowhere near that. Now of course CBs can't hold TE/WRs down the entire game in real life, but in GLB, I've seen it plenty of times. When I say this, I mean where the CB is step for step with the WR on the entire play.
So, for validity purposes, if you're going to talk up your CB on GLB, don't take real life into consideration. That's a stretch and anyone could basically say their CB is good, not excellent, but good then. And please quote the source in which you found the term 'shutdown CB', otherwise we'll agree to disagree on the term.
Well. we'll have to agree to disagree on that term. It's a common football saying, if you want to take it to the extreme and make it literal, that's on you.
How do you figure a good WR cant counteract a bad QB? Isn't that what the specs are for? Why does a Wr put points into jumping? Isn't so he can reach up and grab a bad pass? Or out jump a defender? And GLB is suppose to emulate RL, so RL tactics and play styles are taken into consideration when playing this game.
