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Originally posted by Pistol
http://all9innings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/barry_bonds_before_after.jpg

not certain the guy on left would have been the Home Run King

consistent 30-30 guy for sure but no 755+ guy without roids

Certainly not 755, but Bonds was still rock solid. Those before/after pictures are just a lot of lolinternet. The majority of guys bulk up when they meet professional training staffs and weight training coaches and get going in those programs for a few years. A lot of the assumptions are that Bonds started using after McGwire's/Sosa's big year in 1998 (when he was 34). If that is assumed true, Bonds would have had 411 "clean" homers. Bonds very well could have broken 600 without steroids if he ended his career as a DH in the American League to get the same kind of prolonged career he had.

Edited to Add:
Bonds hit 46 homers in 1993. At this weight/bulk: http://cconnect.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1993-Upper-Deck-Baseball-Future-Heroes-Barry-Bonds-216x300.jpg

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
The majority of guys bulk up when they meet professional training staffs and weight training coaches and get going in those programs for a few years.
Because that's when they gain easy access to steroids. From 1986 through 1999, Barry Bonds hit three home runs that traveled more than 450 feet. From 2000 through 2004, he hit twenty-six home runs that traveled more than 450 feet.

Did they move the fences back or something?

Because if not, I'm pretty sure a long home run counts the same as one that just clears the fence.

Boss just got us a Foosball table for our break room. productivity should drop 20%.......

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
. I think he would've broken the records anyways.

He'd have never crossed the 600 mark without steroids. Griffey Jr. was a better power hitter than him, and Griffey Jr. ran out of gas at 630 HRs.

Based on his pre-steroids decline curve, I imagine he would have finished in the high 500s.

Griffey Jr's knees were destroyed at the Kingdome, but the Reds paid the price as it caught up to him there.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Because that's when they gain easy access to steroids. From 1986 through 1999, Barry Bonds hit three home runs that traveled more than 450 feet. From 2000 through 2004, he hit twenty-six home runs that traveled more than 450 feet.

I'm with you on Bonds, but your first sentence becomes more the exception than the rule. Although at some point it pushed rule status (lolCanseco).

Anyways, in no way was Bonds innocent. My thought is that the shame is Bonds probably had a chance to be in a "best ever" (from a top 100 sense not an ultimate best) conversation without the steroids. He was that good.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Those before/after pictures are just a lot of lolinternet. The majority of guys bulk up when they meet professional training staffs and weight training coaches and get going in those programs for a few years.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/531e020e6bb3f7080c6a69c8-800-/01-101.jpg

Look at the difference there. That's after his Pittsburgh years, when he already was in a strength/weight program. That's not natural for someone who's already at the absolute least 28 and physically in their prime after spending the previous 7 years in a pro weight program. That's chemicals.

It's a shame though. He definitely had major talent like everyone else was saying, he didn't need roids to be an incredible player.

73 and humid when got up this morning. Seventy-fucking-three. At five fucking fifteen am. The sun was just starting to peak out, and it was already that motherfucking hot.
jesus. part of the reason I live in Maine is to avoid this shit. when it's cold, I can always throw on a sweatshirt if I need. If I got as comfortable as I want to be now, I'd be dragged out of my classroom and arrested.

Originally posted by seths99
73 and humid when got up this morning. Seventy-fucking-three. At five fucking fifteen am. The sun was just starting to peak out, and it was already that motherfucking hot.
jesus. part of the reason I live in Maine is to avoid this shit. when it's cold, I can always throw on a sweatshirt if I need. If I got as comfortable as I want to be now, I'd be dragged out of my classroom and arrested.

Summer nights in FL it doesn't even get below 80 with 100% humidity...then again if it gets 60 or below here everybody freaks out and stays inside while wearing their parkas.

Originally posted by seths99
73 and humid when got up this morning. Seventy-fucking-three. At five fucking fifteen am. The sun was just starting to peak out, and it was already that motherfucking hot.
jesus. part of the reason I live in Maine is to avoid this shit. when it's cold, I can always throw on a sweatshirt if I need. If I got as comfortable as I want to be now, I'd be dragged out of my classroom and arrested.

We have fun days like that every now and then.

Not last night/this morning though. Crisp 55 degrees with no wind and medium humidity, perfect morning

Originally posted by Dee.
Summer nights in FL it doesn't even get below 80 with 100% humidity...then again if it gets 60 or below here everybody freaks out and stays inside while wearing their parkas.

And someone would willingly live there because

Originally posted by rams78110
We have fun days like that every now and then.

Not last night/this morning though. Crisp 55 degrees with no wind and medium humidity, perfect morning

today is fucking brutal. three school districts in the area called an early release day due to the heat.