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Originally posted by BoDiddley
Not sure about this, Goolies have a TE with 97 Rec Awareness/97+ CiT. Not seeing it as a Magic bullet so far. But time will tell


What about the QB throwing him the pass? What is his pass power?

Originally posted by Cybertron
What about the QB throwing him the pass? What is his pass power?

I took Freddy from 18 to 44 pass power. Obviously not high, but I wonder if 20-30 more point will make things look normal again, I doubt it based on Ghiana's QB results. A shame I couldn't test Mahomes with the current changes.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
I took Freddy from 18 to 44 pass power. Obviously not high, but I wonder if 20-30 more point will make things look normal again, I doubt it based on Ghiana's QB results. A shame I couldn't test Mahomes with the current changes.

Yeah....Holieway needs to focus on running...lol

Originally posted by Cybertron
Yep...bug that needs to be addressed. But as Boss pointed out, this bug wasn't caused by the changes. It was present last season.

It's worse now... FS and LB reads are fucking awful running the wrong direction, really apparent when they have 90+ speed. It's game breaking since you need those guys to make plays.

One thing I'm certainly going to agree with Myrik on is if Man is going to see the amount of TOs that seem to be possible on their CBs at the moment, then zone is dead.

Man already allows for less yardage than Zone, if they are going to start seeing increased turnovers on top, while Zone's numbers will probably decline overall - there is no reason to be zone.

Zone's Strength has been INTs over the middle, and specifically those targeting the TE. I think Zone is still fantastic here.

But I think there is a series of events here. Passing Power now has to go up, to combat increased deflecting rates even if you didn't want to increase pass power before.

This means passing over the middle got more dangerous by default. So people are probably not going to try to play into Zone's hand by both increasing their pass power and still force feed the TE - which is exactly where Zone makes a living.

So they are going to look to receivers. When they do that, man CBs not only defend those plays better - they also are enjoying what seems to be a massively boosted TO rate.

Why be zone?

Originally posted by Xars
Why isn't Pass Power working? Can you explain more?

How much Rec Awareness do you have when you say you have it?

Deep Zones are a mess how?



My qb got 54 pass power 100 tech 85 accuracy and consistency his ball is now just slow compared to before. He lost any kind of touch in deep ball my wr and te got 55 rec awr but got 70 route tech 100 consistency and te 100 cit. They both just stopped catching anything in the run that is deeper than 12 yards which is crippling to my offence. If they got separation everything is good to 12 y range but anything longer is just based on luck. Ball is being either intercepted or widly off target. But only on first 3 quarters. On 4q my qb suddenly is awesome again and killin it. Zone is dead right now. Every single player that is not on dl got 100 zone awr and they are playing like retards. They dont cover and try to jump without any to chance got to ball on middle zones. On deep zones they ignore opponents and on throw they run either to qb or in random directions. Their ability to judge what to do is just not there. It is waste of time to gameplan right now.

Originally posted by ellix
One thing I'm certainly going to agree with Myrik on is if Man is going to see the amount of TOs that seem to be possible on their CBs at the moment, then zone is dead.

Man already allows for less yardage than Zone, if they are going to start seeing increased turnovers on top, while Zone's numbers will probably decline overall - there is no reason to be zone.

Zone's Strength has been INTs over the middle, and specifically those targeting the TE. I think Zone is still fantastic here.

But I think there is a series of events here. Passing Power now has to go up, to combat increased deflecting rates even if you didn't want to increase pass power before.

This means passing over the middle got more dangerous by default. So people are probably not going to try to play into Zone's hand by both increasing their pass power and still force feed the TE - which is exactly where Zone makes a living.

So they are going to look to receivers. When they do that, man CBs not only defend those plays better - they also are enjoying what seems to be a massively boosted TO rate.

Why be zone?



Better question - Why pass the ball? Just run

Well the meta is going to change so I think lots of this is premtature.

QB's will simply have more Pass Power - which is long long long overdue. I mean noodle arm guys throwing to the outside flawlessly was just a little lame. No one considers 54 sprint to be "high" so 54 pass power really isn't high either. IF you are running team by all means you might be able to get by with that - it's the new noodle arm number for Vet.

I'm seeing receivers do more after the catch now too which is a good thing though not if the pass is so slow that 7 guys on defense are reacting by the time the ball gets there.

Originally posted by ellix
One thing I'm certainly going to agree with Myrik on is if Man is going to see the amount of TOs that seem to be possible on their CBs at the moment, then zone is dead.

Man already allows for less yardage than Zone, if they are going to start seeing increased turnovers on top, while Zone's numbers will probably decline overall - there is no reason to be zone.

Zone's Strength has been INTs over the middle, and specifically those targeting the TE. I think Zone is still fantastic here.

But I think there is a series of events here. Passing Power now has to go up, to combat increased deflecting rates even if you didn't want to increase pass power before.

This means passing over the middle got more dangerous by default. So people are probably not going to try to play into Zone's hand by both increasing their pass power and still force feed the TE - which is exactly where Zone makes a living.

So they are going to look to receivers. When they do that, man CBs not only defend those plays better - they also are enjoying what seems to be a massively boosted TO rate.

Why be zone?



Bingo.

Add in that Zone is bugged and broken to boot.

Everyone can be happy that we are back to everyone running Man again like we had for 40+ seasons, lol. I still have all my Man templates, not like I lost them or anything when I switched to make Zone work.

Originally posted by ellix
One thing I'm certainly going to agree with Myrik on is if Man is going to see the amount of TOs that seem to be possible on their CBs at the moment, then zone is dead.

Man already allows for less yardage than Zone, if they are going to start seeing increased turnovers on top, while Zone's numbers will probably decline overall - there is no reason to be zone.

Zone's Strength has been INTs over the middle, and specifically those targeting the TE. I think Zone is still fantastic here.

But I think there is a series of events here. Passing Power now has to go up, to combat increased deflecting rates even if you didn't want to increase pass power before.

This means passing over the middle got more dangerous by default. So people are probably not going to try to play into Zone's hand by both increasing their pass power and still force feed the TE - which is exactly where Zone makes a living.

So they are going to look to receivers. When they do that, man CBs not only defend those plays better - they also are enjoying what seems to be a massively boosted TO rate.

Why be zone?



Yeh, the Rec Awareness benefits Man much more than Zone, as does the deflection increase added too. I think the Passing arc is really nice, as were the zone SA buffs. I wonder how the sim would look with Rec Awareness back as it was.

I think if there is a middle ground between the old bugged Rec Awareness and the current one, that might be the solution.

And I still desperately want Zone Shark available for Safeties.

Shouldn’t even have been possible to run zone throughout a game without being able to exploit the holes, but the direction running is getting more apparent. I guess the picks could have been hiding a lot of that visual.

Overall i’m enjoying it. My QB went 2/3 against a good defense. Shows more in the completion percentage than picks I’d say. If you level the playing field by making receivers actually have to be thought out and fleshed out more that’s just finally addressing something that the defense has had to almost every changelog. I like the leveling.

Pass tech just makes the ball pretty. Assuming that also makes it easier to pick if it’s not a good pass. Also, does pass power affect how the ball can cut through the elements or is that not applied in game logic? (if not don’t, it’d be the return of run). Not being able to spot the high ball is detrimental in man. You can get away with in zone fingers crossed, but man needs corners who can actually cover.

S* QB & 2 S*WR burners would probably kill offensively. Conceptually sounds nice, finding that balance is a bit trickier. Wonder what 70/80/80 would look like? Could save a lot on CiT considering they aren’t build to be covered. PA would be killer too.

Oof. Enjoying prepping for vet much more.

Originally posted by ellix
One thing I'm certainly going to agree with Myrik on is if Man is going to see the amount of TOs that seem to be possible on their CBs at the moment, then zone is dead.


Do I have to bring zone back to life...again???

Originally posted by Cybertron
Do I have to bring zone back to life...again???

Zone is plenty powerful lol

Zone was powerfull like week ago. Now it is dead.