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Fastbird
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I'm not blaming anyone but the folks who expanded the leagues to the point there are so many craptacular teams in the conferences. Follow the real $$$.

I fully understand agents not wanting sign players with a cellar team on the hope they might one day be competitive.

In on conference I DC a team that is #1 in the "uncapped casual" conference, this morning the games simmed and only 2 games were not blow outs. That is supposed to be normal?

In the conference where my AAA team is... the #8 team is 5-3 with my cpu team ranked at #9 with a 4-4 record in the conference. WTF is right with that? 50% of the teams in a AAA conference are sub .500 and only two are cpu owned.

We pay real money to buy teams and participate in the game. The real problem is too many leagues and teams.

 
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Originally posted by Fruitbat Bearcat
With all of these new changes, time to start over as a new version.

Everyone gets 100% flex refund for their current players, people still keep their team ownership for next season, and we all start building new players from scratch together under the new rules.


Starting over is for sissies.
 
F8n4tune
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Should be ALL teams bottom line or just another band aide.
 
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Originally posted by Pantone


Many agents were looking forward to starting a fresh team with the new creation changes...



So do it! Nothings stopping you. You merely will not have a financial advantage over the other folks you will be competing with.
 
onepeat
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I have an idea...


STOP CHANGING THE FUCKING RULES!

You fucked up in your design and approach and forced competitive teams such as mine to bail out so we could compete long term and now you are about to fuck us again by taking the cash we raised. I asked to be demoted as to not upset the league with a gutted team and now I am going to be penalized. If you would have had the insight to do this shit right the first time, and or correct the money glitch when it happened 12 fucking seasons ago, we would not be in our current state. If you want to institute such a hard lined rule, which could be a good thing BTW, then you need to grandfather the fucking thing not screw those who have already rebuilt their rosters.

This game is getting absurd.
 
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Originally posted by F8n4tune
Should be ALL teams bottom line or just another band aide.


It's not a bandaide, it's a perma fix, just wont be done retroactively.
 
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Originally posted by razor9
Originally posted by ImTheScientist

Originally posted by razor9


Originally posted by ImTheScientist



Originally posted by 5STAR




Originally posted by ImTheScientist





To all the people in the WL, Pro, AAA, AA, etc.....field a team or kiss that cash goodbye!

LEG SWEPT!


Team owners have an obligation to put forth the best team possible at ALL times. If you can not fulfill this obligation either sell the team or start over. No more tanking seasons at higher levels just to game the financial system.



+1 Just look over the Pro leagues and you get a VERY clear picture of who is doing it. Bort needs to take all their cash imo.


This goes back to retro active punishment though. If the admin wants to make a rule now and enforce it from this point forward...cool. But what's done is done and you can't punish someone for something that wasn't a rule before.


Why not? Its Borts game......just because their isn't a rule about something doesn't mean its ok to do. People are punished for "war crimes" retroactively all the time.


War crimes are a little more heinous than what we're talking about here though.

Just imagine if you did your taxes and you deducted the interest paid on your mortgage. Then they made a law making it illegal to deduct mortgage interest. Would it be cool if they went back and hit you up for the 10 years you've owned your house and did this while it was legal?


Why not...because we are Borts clients. We paid him money for a service, thats why. If he goes back and does this, he might as well refund these agents their money back, cause the last 6 seasons or so would have been a waste of time. The rules changes are good, but retroactive punishment is simply a joke. The admin let it go, so that is on them, now they are trying to lay down the law. Just start it all in season 15 and be done with it.

Its the suddenness of the changes that has most in a tiff, not the changes themselves. IMO
 
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Originally posted by onepeat

STOP CHANGING THE FUCKING RULES!


Yeah, that's definately what we should do
 
razor9
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Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by razor9


Just imagine if you did your taxes and you deducted the interest paid on your mortgage. Then they made a law making it illegal to deduct mortgage interest. Would it be cool if they went back and hit you up for the 10 years you've owned your house and did this while it was legal?


Its not cool, but If the country I lived in decided to do that I would have to deal with it or move somewhere else. Its not up to me.


That's the point though. Presuming you live in America, where we have a democracy, they would never get away with that. There would be a huge outcry and politics would give way to the people.

In a dictatorship, whatever the man says, goes. In GLB, whatever the admins say, goes. Hmmm...
 
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Originally posted by Plankton
Every season 94% of the teams promote yet 10% of the player population retires. This means that there are always going to be fewer players than teams and thus some teams will not be able to field a competitive team.


Please also factor in the # of teams that gut, and the number of new players created, and then get back to me.
 
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Originally posted by onepeat
I have an idea...


STOP CHANGING THE FUCKING RULES!

You fucked up in your design and approach and forced competitive teams such as mine to bail out so we could compete long term and now you are about to fuck us again by taking the cash we raised. I asked to be demoted as to not upset the league with a gutted team and now I am going to be penalized. If you would have had the insight to do this shit right the first time, and or correct the money glitch when it happened 12 fucking seasons ago, we would not be in our current state. If you want to institute such a hard lined rule, which could be a good thing BTW, then you need to grandfather the fucking thing not screw those who have already rebuilt their rosters.

This game is getting absurd.


Or people could stop exploiting the system, and then we wouldn't have to change the rules.
 
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Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by Pantone

This demotion revamp is a crock of shit, IMO They should atleast give us a one season warning. Ive paid over $150 to this site and all the changes happen without any input from agents, and no leeway time. What about the agents who have built a stadium,, pais their flex dollars to keep the team and were planning to start over next seaon with all the new players changes, and now what, WE GET SCREWED. all the time and money gone into the stadium are down the tube. This site is becoming rediculous.

Many agents were looking forward to starting a fresh team with the new creation changes, but now what is the point. All the time and efforts, not to mention flex dollars for the team and financial dollars to build have been wasted. I'm not saying I disagree with the changes, as they are lon overdue, but how bout starting them season 15 and allow one last demotion for players who already had plans to do so. I am simply frustrated by the sudden rules changes. I like change, I think the changes are good, but how bout a little time to implement them....just my 2 cents.


Total Player Count: 41 (Avg Lv 10)
Better make sure not to lose a few guys.


Yah because we started a team this year and decided once the new player changes took place we would retire and restart, so I have been giving agents a place to play this year, while releasing the newly created players for retirement, so we could revamp season 15. Get your facts straight before you run your mouth chump.
 
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Originally posted by razor9
Originally posted by ImTheScientist

Originally posted by razor9



Just imagine if you did your taxes and you deducted the interest paid on your mortgage. Then they made a law making it illegal to deduct mortgage interest. Would it be cool if they went back and hit you up for the 10 years you've owned your house and did this while it was legal?


Its not cool, but If the country I lived in decided to do that I would have to deal with it or move somewhere else. Its not up to me.


That's the point though. Presuming you live in America, where we have a democracy, they would never get away with that. There would be a huge outcry and politics would give way to the people.

In a dictatorship, whatever the man says, goes. In GLB, whatever the admins say, goes. Hmmm...



So Bort is Mikhail Gorbachev and you're Ronald Reagan telling him to tear down that wall?
 
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Originally posted by Gart888
Please also factor in the # of teams that gut, and the number of new players created, and then get back to me.


The new players mean nothing. I am talking about teams at the top that have a choice of what to do. They can not add any new players to their team (i.e. players a season old or less).

And regarding teams that gut, that's my point. This change removes the incentive to demote and will very likely lead to alot more gutting. I guess we all have forgotten how crappy that was back in the day.

I think a more appropriate change is to reset demoted team stadiums and cash to a cap or two higher's starting. It would remove the teams with 80+ million but still leave an incentive for demoting.
Edited by Plankton on Feb 24, 2010 09:14:28
Edited by Plankton on Feb 24, 2010 09:13:06
Edited by Plankton on Feb 24, 2010 09:12:16
 
F8n4tune
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Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by Fruitbat Bearcat

With all of these new changes, time to start over as a new version.

Everyone gets 100% flex refund for their current players, people still keep their team ownership for next season, and we all start building new players from scratch together under the new rules.


Starting over is for sissies.


Or correctly when you use your previous mistakes as a guideline. The game really needs a re-set but we know RIGHT NOW it won't happen , I guess they need to exhaust all avenues of band aides before they see the light and that's cool because it's theirs.

But a change like this and the archetypes are PRIME for fixing the game IF it was to start over and have a 14 season head start on the issues that we know the game has. Smart money would start over and be prepared ahead of time with documentation from previous seasons and be ready with the FIX and not more band aides. But then we'd just have buyers remorse crybabies that the management feels sorry for. Bottom line is your money invested in this game is gone and will never come back and that rule is never going to change.
 
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