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Cuivienen
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Originally posted by rams78110
This^

I was in the same camp of the 'all or nothing' damage deal where either the tree or a big branch falls on my car and totals it so I get a new one vs having a dick ton of dents everywhere that doesn't total it, costs too much for me to repair, and leaves me driving an unsellable golf-ball looking car. Apparently my friend was making the argument for just her car which is too old to do full coverage on anyway so if hers got totaled it's just totaled and the insurance doesn't care


Um, you might want to consider that you run the risk of being crushed to death inside the car by that same branch that is crushing your car...
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Howso? What should I be investing in as a 22 year old? I really have no idea other than the whole long-term automanaged portfolio which sounds good


To simplify it somewhat, in finance you are compensated for taking risk. You can't expect to get paid for nothing. If you don't take risk, your money will not grow, despite Cat's temper tantrums.

If inflation exists, which it almost always does in the world we live in, not only will your money not grow without taking risk, but it will actually shrink.

Also keep in mind that in finance, "risk" means variability, not what it means in common English. Risk, in finance, is both the upside and the downside, not just the downside.

At 22 years old, you should make extremely risky investments, because, as I said earlier, in finance you are compensated for risk. The more risk you take, the more compensation you will receive. As you are young and this is retirement money, you have huge amounts of time to ride out negative events, so you want to earn the highest average return you can find.

Again, keep in mind that extremely risky means something different in finance than it does in common English. Giving your money to a guy who wants to flip a kilo of cocaine is not an extremely risky investment, it is an extremely stupid one. You should stick to regulated securities where you have at least some protection.

Those target date funds are too conservative for my tastes, but that is done intentionally for liability risk management reasons. In general, if you were set on taking one, I would suggest taking one designed for some one 10 years younger than you are. Unfortunately, that is not an option for you as they don't sell funds targeted to 12 year olds.

The other issue with target date funds is that they usually have relatively high fees. Fees are a killer when you are investing in mutual funds, which is generally your only option in a 401k. Over time, they all tend to perform pretty much the same on a gross basis, so your return all comes down to how many fees you have paid. Avoid fees like the plague.

So where does that leave you? I would personally go through all the options in your 401k and pick out all the ones that are 100% equities. Then go through those and find the ones with the lowest fees. Invest in those. If you are left with a few options, list them here and I will tell you which ones I would select.

Make sure you are a maxing out your company match and don't put a penny more into your 401k. There is not another investment in the world where you can double your money instantly, so take advantage, but after that perk runs out, 401ks are generally a restrictive pain in the ass. If you have extra money to save, save it in a bank account and maybe one day consider opening a regular brokerage account.
 
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classic cuiv.

picks a fight for no reason, gets proved wrong, accuses the other person of throwing a temper tantrum, then anoints his context as the only context and a given model as the only model. risk only means variability if you're following MPT, which starts with certain assumptions that drive the entire model. meanwhile PMPT restores IRR to the equation and oh look, risk is no longer a proxy for variance. imagine that. also, even MPT allows for risk-free assets (like t-bills), so it remains untrue that your money will not grow without taking risk.

the rest of your advice is inline with what people have already been saying (properly understood), though it we're still insisting on MPT then it needs to be remembered as a diversification strategy and so it doesn't work to just select equities a la carte. for one thing, one major flaw in MPT is its assumption that correlations are static and equities are a great example of where they are not.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Can someone just give me free money so I don't have to do this investing shit?


Originally posted by Cuivienen
Make sure you are a maxing out your company match and don't put a penny more into your 401k. There is not another investment in the world where you can double your money instantly, so take advantage
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
**im obviously not as versed in this subject as Cuiv
 
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ad verecundiam!
 
foshizzel17
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I have a question Cuiv: If i am putting 5% of my pre-tax income into my company 401k, can i also dump another $5500 into a Roth IRA and get that tax break for that as well?
 
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i have a brokerage account with Fidelity, but i also plan on moving $11,000 a year to Roth IRA for my wife and i
 
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Originally posted by Catullus16
Originally posted by rams78110

Can someone just give me free money so I don't have to do this investing shit?


Originally posted by Cuivienen

Make sure you are a maxing out your company match and don't put a penny more into your 401k. There is not another investment in the world where you can double your money instantly, so take advantage


Doing exactly that. 6% of my paycheck bi-weekly matched plus $60 to stock every 2 weeks of which they match 15%
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
I have a question Cuiv: If i am putting 5% of my pre-tax income into my company 401k, can i also dump another $5500 into a Roth IRA and get that tax break for that as well?


Fundamentally, yes, you can fund both at the same time.

However, depends on your income as the IRS are assholes and they hate "rich" people. If you make too much, they will phase you out, but that also applies if you were only doing a Roth.

If you make 5 figures, you should be fine. If you make something with a 1 in front, you are in the gray area. 2+ and you are sol my friend.
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
If i am putting 5% of my pre-tax income into my company 401k, can i also dump another $5500 into a Roth IRA and get that tax break for that as well?


Yes.
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
Fundamentally, yes, you can fund both at the same time.

However, depends on your income as the IRS are assholes and they hate "rich" people. If you make too much, they will phase you out, but that also applies if you were only doing a Roth.

If you make 5 figures, you should be fine. If you make something with a 1 in front, you are in the gray area. 2+ and you are sol my friend.


i make less than 6 figures, and this year my wife only worked for a few months, so her income will be almost nothing. so between the 2 of us we will still be under 100k. so technically we can dump $11,000k into a Roth and also get our EITC for the kids(2) too?
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
If you make something with a 1 in front, you are in the gray area. 2+ and you are sol my friend.


The 2015 limits are pretty high. I want to say it's over 185k now for married couples.
 
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Also, Roth's have no tax break. The trade and reason that you use a Roth is because you pay taxes on the income today, not the income in the future (assuming you don't withdraw prior to 59 1/2).

Your 401k on the other hand, you won't pay taxes today but you'll pay taxes when you withdraw post-retirement.
Edited by InRomoWeTrust on Aug 18, 2015 12:31:12
 
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
i make less than 6 figures, and this year my wife only worked for a few months, so her income will be almost nothing. so between the 2 of us we will still be under 100k. so technically we can dump $11,000k into a Roth and also get our EITC for the kids(2) too?


I mean, the EITC is a totally separate issue, and I can't answer that for you, but yeah, if you are under a hungie, you'll have no problem dropping 11k into a pair of Roths, even after putting a ton into a 401k.

However, if you aren't making a ton nor expect to in the future, you might want to reconsider if a Roth actually makes sense for you.
 
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