Originally posted by Meech
How should those buildings have collapsed?
They should not have collapsed.
How should those buildings have collapsed?
They should not have collapsed.
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NitrousX
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1) It's foolish to believe that building 7 came down the way it did without it having been planned. Ostrich head in the sand style of oblivion.
2) Because of #1, it's foolish to believe other elements were not also planned.
3a) What was planned and how it happened is not important - that's what they want you to fight over.
3b) The important part is that it is obvious that there was conspiracy.
All of the info about building 7 is all you need to make an educated call on what really happened that day.
2) Because of #1, it's foolish to believe other elements were not also planned.
3a) What was planned and how it happened is not important - that's what they want you to fight over.
3b) The important part is that it is obvious that there was conspiracy.
All of the info about building 7 is all you need to make an educated call on what really happened that day.
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Originally posted by Robert Fripp
You are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.
You are an idiot.
You are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.
You are an idiot.
D-line skidmarks
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Originally posted by NitrousX
1) It's foolish to believe that building 7 came down the way it did without it having been planned. Ostrich head in the sand style of oblivion.
2) Because of #1, it's foolish to believe other elements were not also planned.
3a) What was planned and how it happened is not important - that's what they want you to fight over.
3b) The important part is that it is obvious that there was conspiracy.
All of the info about building 7 is all you need to make an educated call on what really happened that day.
Totally agree with 3b. 19 Jihadists conspired to wage a cowardly war on America by hijacking 4 aircraft and using them in an attack against their sworn enemy.
1) It's foolish to believe that building 7 came down the way it did without it having been planned. Ostrich head in the sand style of oblivion.
2) Because of #1, it's foolish to believe other elements were not also planned.
3a) What was planned and how it happened is not important - that's what they want you to fight over.
3b) The important part is that it is obvious that there was conspiracy.
All of the info about building 7 is all you need to make an educated call on what really happened that day.
Totally agree with 3b. 19 Jihadists conspired to wage a cowardly war on America by hijacking 4 aircraft and using them in an attack against their sworn enemy.
"It is foolish to believe that it was not planned because it was foolish to believe that it was not planned and thats all the info you need to make an educated call"
Tough to argue with that logic.
Tough because there isn't any.
Tough to argue with that logic.
Tough because there isn't any.
Originally posted by Gnosis
You are an idiot.
"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." Friedrich Nietzsche
Once you accept that you have delusions of grandeur and you aren't smarter than engineers, architects, and an entire government, you'll be a happier person
You are an idiot.
"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." Friedrich Nietzsche
Once you accept that you have delusions of grandeur and you aren't smarter than engineers, architects, and an entire government, you'll be a happier person
Originally posted by wormser1971
call me a tinfoil wearing hat conspiracy theorist.
Originally posted by Robert Fripp
You are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.
Originally posted by Gnosis
You are an idiot.
stop trolling.
call me a tinfoil wearing hat conspiracy theorist.
Originally posted by Robert Fripp
You are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.
Originally posted by Gnosis
You are an idiot.
stop trolling.
you know, these trolls might be a little more credible on the topic if they didn't already make countless asinine claims on other issues.
Meech
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Originally posted by wormser1971
They should not have collapsed.
How many people had to have been involved to make this happen that way you claim it happened?
They should not have collapsed.
How many people had to have been involved to make this happen that way you claim it happened?
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Originally posted by NitrousX
1) It's foolish to believe that building 7 came down the way it did without it having been planned. Ostrich head in the sand style of oblivion.
2) Because of #1, it's foolish to believe other elements were not also planned.
3a) What was planned and how it happened is not important - that's what they want you to fight over.
3b) The important part is that it is obvious that there was conspiracy.
All of the info about building 7 is all you need to make an educated call on what really happened that day.
It is foolish to believe the WTC 7 collapsed without being demoed? Really? Then why were firefighters quoted as saying that damage was so great to the building that they thought it might collapse? Firefighters weren't surprised when it came down. At 1:30 in the video below a firefighter says, 'Look at the size of that hole in that building. Think it might come down?' Another firefighter on the scene was quoted as saying that a '20% chunk of the building had been scooped out' from the debris that fell on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U#t=74
Here is a video showing how firefighters were describing that WTC 7 was slowly leaning and they weren't surprised when it collapsed. They put in a measurement tool to monitor if the building started to lean and they got a clear register that it was due to damage and fires in the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI
1) It's foolish to believe that building 7 came down the way it did without it having been planned. Ostrich head in the sand style of oblivion.
2) Because of #1, it's foolish to believe other elements were not also planned.
3a) What was planned and how it happened is not important - that's what they want you to fight over.
3b) The important part is that it is obvious that there was conspiracy.
All of the info about building 7 is all you need to make an educated call on what really happened that day.
It is foolish to believe the WTC 7 collapsed without being demoed? Really? Then why were firefighters quoted as saying that damage was so great to the building that they thought it might collapse? Firefighters weren't surprised when it came down. At 1:30 in the video below a firefighter says, 'Look at the size of that hole in that building. Think it might come down?' Another firefighter on the scene was quoted as saying that a '20% chunk of the building had been scooped out' from the debris that fell on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U#t=74
Here is a video showing how firefighters were describing that WTC 7 was slowly leaning and they weren't surprised when it collapsed. They put in a measurement tool to monitor if the building started to lean and they got a clear register that it was due to damage and fires in the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI
Originally posted by Meech
How many people had to have been involved to make this happen that way you claim it happened?
about 80 inside the buildings
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-04-elevator-usat_x.htm
Originally posted by usatoday
On Sept. 11, people fought their own way out of elevators or they died. USA TODAY could not locate any professional rescues of people stuck in elevators. The Fire Department of New York and the Port Authority also could not cite successful rescues.
Rescue attempts were underway when the buildings collapsed. Firefighters from Ladder 4 and Engine 54 — which shared a firehouse at 48th Street and Eighth Avenue — used the Jaws of Life tool to rescue people trapped in an elevator in the south tower lobby. The firefighters died when the tower collapsed at 9:59 a.m. Their bodies were found near an elevator and their Jaws of Life.
The elevator rescue effort was run from a fire safety desk in each lobby. Consoles digitally showed the location of every elevator. The fire safety desks also had an intercom system to speak to people inside the elevators. The fire department had set up command posts next to the fire safety desks.
In each tower, a Port Authority supervisor tried to make contact with each elevator.
Bobbitt, the Port Authority supervisor contacting elevators in the north tower, says he spoke to people in about 10 stalled elevators. He contacted about 75 of the 99 elevators in the north tower before the other tower collapsed and he evacuated. Bobbitt could not contact about 20 elevators located above the 78th floor. The console showed no reading for those elevators, suggesting they were most likely destroyed.
When Bobbitt located people trapped in an elevator, a colleague, Don Parente, wrote down the elevator number and its location. "We found out the information and gave it to the firemen," Bobbitt says. "A couple different firemen grabbed a couple different lists, but I don't know what happened after that."
For reasons that are unclear, even the easiest rescues — releasing people trapped in elevators in the ground floor lobby — were not attempted. For example, Chris Young, a 33-year-old temporary worker, escaped on his own a few feet from the fire department's command post in the north tower just five minutes before the building collapsed. He had twice reported his location via intercom. And passengers who escaped from an adjacent elevator told firefighters they had spoken to the trapped man. He was able to open the doors only when the power failed and the motor holding the doors shut stopped working.
Elevator mechanics left
On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center.
Following the Port Authority's emergency plan, after the first jet hit the north tower, elevator mechanics from both towers reported to the fire safety desk in the south tower lobby for instructions from police or firefighters. About 60 mechanics had arrived in the south tower lobby and others were in radio contact when the second jet struck that building.
"We were standing there trying to count heads when the second plane hit (the south tower)," said Peter Niederau, ACE Elevator's supervisor of the modernization project. "Parts of the lobby and glass were coming down around us, so we all got out of the lobby as fast as we could."
They left in different directions. Some went through the underground shopping mall. Others went out onto Liberty Street. Had they stayed, they would have been about 30 yards from the two express elevators where firefighters tried unsuccessfully to save people. Another mechanic was in the north tower's 78th floor elevator lobby — where Savas and other people were trapped — when the first jet hit. The mechanic was knocked across the lobby, then evacuated safely, the ACE Elevator supervisors say.
"(We) went out to the street to assess the damage and come back in as needed," says James O'Neill, ACE Elevator's supervisor of maintenance. The plan was to return to the building later in the day to help with rescues. The strategy had worked after the 1993 terrorist bombing, when many of the same mechanics — working for Otis Elevator, which had the contract then — were hailed as heroes.
On Sept. 11, the mechanics left on their own, without instructions from police or fire officials. ACE Elevator supervisors say this was consistent with the emergency plan. All the mechanics survived. "We had a procedure. We had a procedure to follow, and they (the mechanics) followed it," Niederau says.
But the Port Authority says the emergency plan called for mechanics to stay and help with rescues. "The manuals consider many emergency scenarios and describe the role of the mechanics in detail in responding to them," Port Authority spokesman Allen Morrison says. "There was no situation in which the mechanics were advised or instructed to leave on their own. They were, depending on the situation, to be dispatched to various emergency posts or to respond to various passenger entrapments and to assist police, fire and other rescue personnel."
About 9:45 a.m., from the south tower lobby, Port Authority elevator manager Joseph Amatuccio radioed the ACE Elevator supervisors on their private radio channel. O'Neill recalls him asking: "Can you mobilize to come inside and see what's going on? Because I'm here with the fire department, and they're asking me questions I don't know."
O'Neill radioed John Menville, an ACE Elevator supervisor trained in rescues, and both tried to get back in the building. The supervisors had special ID badges with red stripes that allowed them behind police lines. The badges had been issued after the 1993 bombing.
As Menville approached, the south tower collapsed. Amatuccio and his colleagues were killed. Bobbitt and other firefighters began evacuating the soon-to-collapse north tower.
The elevator rescue effort was over
How many people had to have been involved to make this happen that way you claim it happened?
about 80 inside the buildings
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-04-elevator-usat_x.htm
Originally posted by usatoday
On Sept. 11, people fought their own way out of elevators or they died. USA TODAY could not locate any professional rescues of people stuck in elevators. The Fire Department of New York and the Port Authority also could not cite successful rescues.
Rescue attempts were underway when the buildings collapsed. Firefighters from Ladder 4 and Engine 54 — which shared a firehouse at 48th Street and Eighth Avenue — used the Jaws of Life tool to rescue people trapped in an elevator in the south tower lobby. The firefighters died when the tower collapsed at 9:59 a.m. Their bodies were found near an elevator and their Jaws of Life.
The elevator rescue effort was run from a fire safety desk in each lobby. Consoles digitally showed the location of every elevator. The fire safety desks also had an intercom system to speak to people inside the elevators. The fire department had set up command posts next to the fire safety desks.
In each tower, a Port Authority supervisor tried to make contact with each elevator.
Bobbitt, the Port Authority supervisor contacting elevators in the north tower, says he spoke to people in about 10 stalled elevators. He contacted about 75 of the 99 elevators in the north tower before the other tower collapsed and he evacuated. Bobbitt could not contact about 20 elevators located above the 78th floor. The console showed no reading for those elevators, suggesting they were most likely destroyed.
When Bobbitt located people trapped in an elevator, a colleague, Don Parente, wrote down the elevator number and its location. "We found out the information and gave it to the firemen," Bobbitt says. "A couple different firemen grabbed a couple different lists, but I don't know what happened after that."
For reasons that are unclear, even the easiest rescues — releasing people trapped in elevators in the ground floor lobby — were not attempted. For example, Chris Young, a 33-year-old temporary worker, escaped on his own a few feet from the fire department's command post in the north tower just five minutes before the building collapsed. He had twice reported his location via intercom. And passengers who escaped from an adjacent elevator told firefighters they had spoken to the trapped man. He was able to open the doors only when the power failed and the motor holding the doors shut stopped working.
Elevator mechanics left
On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center.
Following the Port Authority's emergency plan, after the first jet hit the north tower, elevator mechanics from both towers reported to the fire safety desk in the south tower lobby for instructions from police or firefighters. About 60 mechanics had arrived in the south tower lobby and others were in radio contact when the second jet struck that building.
"We were standing there trying to count heads when the second plane hit (the south tower)," said Peter Niederau, ACE Elevator's supervisor of the modernization project. "Parts of the lobby and glass were coming down around us, so we all got out of the lobby as fast as we could."
They left in different directions. Some went through the underground shopping mall. Others went out onto Liberty Street. Had they stayed, they would have been about 30 yards from the two express elevators where firefighters tried unsuccessfully to save people. Another mechanic was in the north tower's 78th floor elevator lobby — where Savas and other people were trapped — when the first jet hit. The mechanic was knocked across the lobby, then evacuated safely, the ACE Elevator supervisors say.
"(We) went out to the street to assess the damage and come back in as needed," says James O'Neill, ACE Elevator's supervisor of maintenance. The plan was to return to the building later in the day to help with rescues. The strategy had worked after the 1993 terrorist bombing, when many of the same mechanics — working for Otis Elevator, which had the contract then — were hailed as heroes.
On Sept. 11, the mechanics left on their own, without instructions from police or fire officials. ACE Elevator supervisors say this was consistent with the emergency plan. All the mechanics survived. "We had a procedure. We had a procedure to follow, and they (the mechanics) followed it," Niederau says.
But the Port Authority says the emergency plan called for mechanics to stay and help with rescues. "The manuals consider many emergency scenarios and describe the role of the mechanics in detail in responding to them," Port Authority spokesman Allen Morrison says. "There was no situation in which the mechanics were advised or instructed to leave on their own. They were, depending on the situation, to be dispatched to various emergency posts or to respond to various passenger entrapments and to assist police, fire and other rescue personnel."
About 9:45 a.m., from the south tower lobby, Port Authority elevator manager Joseph Amatuccio radioed the ACE Elevator supervisors on their private radio channel. O'Neill recalls him asking: "Can you mobilize to come inside and see what's going on? Because I'm here with the fire department, and they're asking me questions I don't know."
O'Neill radioed John Menville, an ACE Elevator supervisor trained in rescues, and both tried to get back in the building. The supervisors had special ID badges with red stripes that allowed them behind police lines. The badges had been issued after the 1993 bombing.
As Menville approached, the south tower collapsed. Amatuccio and his colleagues were killed. Bobbitt and other firefighters began evacuating the soon-to-collapse north tower.
The elevator rescue effort was over
Originally posted by mat5592
you know, these trolls might be a little more credible on the topic if they didn't already make countless asinine claims on other issues.
And what exactly were my other claims?
you know, these trolls might be a little more credible on the topic if they didn't already make countless asinine claims on other issues.
And what exactly were my other claims?
Originally posted by wormser1971
And what exactly were my other claims?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5071914&page=1
And what exactly were my other claims?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5071914&page=1
Originally posted by mat5592
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5071914&page=1
Originally posted by me in that thread
In salt it is an option. In water it is mandatory. If they flouridate salt, cool. I can control how much i ingest by not sprinkling it on everything i eat. If it is in water, you just get what you get with no control, unless u have a reverse osmosis filter in the house. What chemical would you object to being put in your water? Pharmaceutical? Toxins? Growth hormone? Flouride is a toxin that has not been established to be good for humans for anything other than tooth decay, but it is available in toothpaste, so why add it to water?
I prefer the government not add chemicals like flouride to my drinking water. That is not an asinine claim.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5071914&page=1
Originally posted by me in that thread
In salt it is an option. In water it is mandatory. If they flouridate salt, cool. I can control how much i ingest by not sprinkling it on everything i eat. If it is in water, you just get what you get with no control, unless u have a reverse osmosis filter in the house. What chemical would you object to being put in your water? Pharmaceutical? Toxins? Growth hormone? Flouride is a toxin that has not been established to be good for humans for anything other than tooth decay, but it is available in toothpaste, so why add it to water?
I prefer the government not add chemicals like flouride to my drinking water. That is not an asinine claim.
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