Warrior General Games

Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by jahnko1

Good take on jackson , i totaly agree. The part about being pinned for the vikes failures is spot on. alot of people are saying that its put up or shut up for him because of the talent around him on offense. Besides peterson/ taylor , and the lg guard hutchinson,and maybe matt birk but he is getting alittle long in the tooth, There really isnt any sure fire talent there. Berrian was a nice signing but the guy has never had a 1,000 yard season. He might pan out, IMO he isnt a true #1 WR. Sidney rice also might turn out to be a solid Wr to, but he is young and is still a year or two out.

Shhh , but i think that our o-line might be a little overated. With the loss of bryan mckinne for 4 games for being a nuckle head this offseason puts them in an even tougher spot. But like you said none of this will come into play when its time to throw the blame. Keep on keepin on t-jack


Really? I think Berrian's a legit WR1. He hasn't had a 1,000 yard season because his QBs have been Grossman and Orton. If you watch, he's a speedster with some decent hands. Even if he isn't, I'd say the Vikes have 3 WR2s with him Rice and Wade. All are good.

As I said, if their playoff hopes have a real threat, it's McKinney's 4 game absence. They're going up against Kampman, Peppers, Freeney, and Kearse/Van Den Bosch in those weeks. That's scary and I'd quit if I'd get a resume ready if I were McKinney's backup. Plus, the Vikes Oline have really only been elite in the run game. I doubt we'll be seeing a lot of 5/7-step drops in those 4 weeks. Probably mostly PA rollout, 3 step drops, rollouts, or 1 step drops. Lots of play action and lots of running imo.

If Jackson eliminates lapses where he just seems stupid with the ball (like that jump shot of a pass... come on), he could be a very good game manager and a very valuable piece to the organization.Well , i have been wrong before. I really hope he has a big season. Jackson right now is only a slight upgrade for him a QB , and your are right gorssmen and orton could hold even the best WR back. I hope he proves me wrong. The biggest thing for me with the berrians signing is that wade moves back to the slot , where he belongs. He is much better playing form the slot then split out wide.

Artis hicks will take the LT spot and we will know right away how that is gonna work out , Which really sucks cause it will really handcuff this offense if we have to run one,or two tightend sets alot to compinsate for the hole at LT. Lot of three step drops and moving the pocket should be had. They have to prove they can throw the ball VS 8 man fronts.
Other wise it will be the same as the end of last year.
sorry about derailing this thread , i am done now

I disagree that Jackson knows how to win. That 8-4 starting record has far more to do with the defense he has and the RBs he gets to hand off to. His stats don't support that he can manage an offense right now. This year is a make or break for him though. We'll see how he does with something resembling a WR this season.

Now I, like my teammate Jahnko, am done with this thread derailment.

Originally posted by BigCheese
I disagree that Jackson knows how to win. That 8-4 starting record has far more to do with the defense he has and the RBs he gets to hand off to. His stats don't support that he can manage an offense right now. This year is a make or break for him though. We'll see how he does with something resembling a WR this season.

Now I, like my teammate Jahnko, am done with this thread derailment.

I never meant it in that he knows how to shoulder the team and win. He knows what it takes to win, as a team.

And stats are terrible indicators of young players' development. Trent Edwards, statistically, SUCKED IT UP last year. However, he looks like he'll be the best 2nd year QB (unless I'm really forgetting someone which probably happened) in the league, and a very solid QB overall.

Jackson made great leaps in his progress last season, save a few lapses in judgment. He has all the tools (live arm, speed, blackness ) to be an asset to the team (and that's all he has to be... someone who helps more than he hurts).

This thread was derailed from the getgo, so I feel no remorse.

Originally posted by jahnko1


Shhh , but i think that our o-line might be a little overated. With the loss of bryan mckinne for 4 games for being a nuckle head this offseason puts them in an even tougher spot. But like you said none of this will come into play when its time to throw the blame. Keep on keepin on t-jack


Uhh, agreed. McKinnie and Birk are both vastly overrated...

I expect a first round playoff exit this season. Most Viking fans have learned not to raise their expectations.

And I still can't watch the 98 NFC Championship either... it's just too painful

Originally posted by MattyP
Originally posted by jahnko1



Shhh , but i think that our o-line might be a little overated. With the loss of bryan mckinne for 4 games for being a nuckle head this offseason puts them in an even tougher spot. But like you said none of this will come into play when its time to throw the blame. Keep on keepin on t-jack


Uhh, agreed. McKinnie and Birk are both vastly overrated...

I expect a first round playoff exit this season. Most Viking fans have learned not to raise their expectations.

And I still can't watch the 98 NFC Championship either... it's just too painful


The only highly overrated teams (ask Geoff and the bunch, I've been saying it since the beginning): Cleveland, Seattle, Jacksonville, and New England. We'll never know about NE, now.

FWIW, Bernard Berrian is not a #1 receiver on any roster. He will have problems getting separation, really never fights for the ball and will not bail his QB if he is pressured. A decent deep threat, but not worth even half of his contract.

Originally posted by misiu007
FWIW, Bernard Berrian is not a #1 receiver on any roster. He will have problems getting separation, really never fights for the ball and will not bail his QB if he is pressured. A decent deep threat, but not worth even half of his contract.

What Bernard Berrian have you been watching!?

He's not a possession receiver and he's not really a slant-type gamebreaker... yes of course. But he can get separation and it's not like he ever really gives up on the ball.

To say that he won't bail out his QB is a big questionmark too. Grossman and Orton were his QBs. No one can bail them out.

Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by misiu007

FWIW, Bernard Berrian is not a #1 receiver on any roster. He will have problems getting separation, really never fights for the ball and will not bail his QB if he is pressured. A decent deep threat, but not worth even half of his contract.

What Bernard Berrian have you been watching!?

He's not a possession receiver and he's not really a slant-type gamebreaker... yes of course. But he can get separation and it's not like he ever really gives up on the ball.

To say that he won't bail out his QB is a big questionmark too. Grossman and Orton were his QBs. No one can bail them out.

Except Indy's defense.

Originally posted by TaintStick
Originally posted by soapbox

Originally posted by misiu007


FWIW, Bernard Berrian is not a #1 receiver on any roster. He will have problems getting separation, really never fights for the ball and will not bail his QB if he is pressured. A decent deep threat, but not worth even half of his contract.

What Bernard Berrian have you been watching!?

He's not a possession receiver and he's not really a slant-type gamebreaker... yes of course. But he can get separation and it's not like he ever really gives up on the ball.

To say that he won't bail out his QB is a big questionmark too. Grossman and Orton were his QBs. No one can bail them out.

Except Indy's defense.

Apparently this year and last are totally different