Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Rob.
Yes, this has been discussed many times before and it’s a lot better than it used to be. Previously there were two full seasons of crap (seasoned and journeyman). Now that seasoned tier has been removed the only bad tier is journeyman because you either play your own tier or you play up. Pro can play up or down and it seems they play down more often.

Yep, and if we dropped J-Man to add another Vet season instead, it would prob mitigate the problem a bunch.

Originally posted by Corndog
And that's another piece of user feedback, people weren't happy playing their league in ladder, so now it prioritizes teams not in their league.

I know it used to be worse (thanks for fixing that by the way), but I am about to start my 6th game of the season and its gonna be my 2nd league opponent I've faced in ladder. The extra cpu league per tier (or dropping J-Man for another vet season) keeps sounding better and better.

Originally posted by Corndog
The teams not at the top of a tier are already getting destroyed by everyone else in their tier, so losing yet another game is rarely a concern. It's always the leaders of a tier complaining about how unfair it is to lose a game by 10 points to a tier above them. Meanwhile they are destroying people in their league by 50 points every game.

And ELO already adjusts to favor teams at the top of the league playing up. The first few ladder games are a shitshow because most teams have more or less the same ELO because it averages the tier together every season. Even within the same tier, the best teams will randomly be playing the worst teams in the first ladder game.

I might be open to shielding the first couple ladder games since the ranking is garbage at that point anyway.



I agree with other opinions stated here to remove the Jman Tier.

Originally posted by NLF
What about something like the rookie league operates the 3 seasons itself, instead of the players? Every player created in the rookie league is the same level, regardless of season. Seasons advance like normal, if you create your player in season 1 of the league, you build him like you would a new player. If you create a player while the league is in season 2, you build him with his starter points + whatever would've been accumulated over season 1s points. Kind of like Rookie+1. When the league has finished its third season, it reverts back to pure rookie instead of rookie+2? you get what I mean? After you finish your third season, as a player your build is finished, and you can join a vet team for 4 seasons, or decide to retire.

This really helps with reloading teams that want to just stay in vet since it won't take as long to reload the roster.

As far as this convo goes, I still like my suggestion the most, of course not concrete, but with some minor tweaks that the rest of the community suggests

Journeyman probably shouldn't have to play Pro, but the % difference between tiers gets smaller as you go higher up. Pro vs Vet is really the only cross-tier matchup that should be possible. A pro team can beat a vet team and its been done many times before.

You could limit it further by only making it so the cross-tier matchup can come in the second half of the season when the Pros are closer to the vet's SP value. There's going to be differing opinions across the board on an issue like this though.

Removing a tier (and renaming the tiers while you're at it) remains a decent option too but still doesn't really solve this problem if we have another season as dead as the current Pro tier.

Making each tier a minimum of two leagues probably makes the most sense. The ladder is designed to crown a "winner" of each tier. When there's only one league in a tier, then the purpose is kind of defeated because the league winner would technically the winner of the tier.

OH and making the league sizes smaller could also be an additional help, looks like it worked with GLB1

I don’t mind playing up, but realistically speaking Deadman had no business playing the Cobras lmaoo.

I tend to view journeyman as a reflective tier to review what you’ve done with your team so far and the direction you should be heading in next. With that being said, it’s hard to really get accurate reads when you’re playing a team heavily above you talent wise.

It did however, let me review the current blitz situation and determine a few other factors with my dink/dunk & bomb style.

Yes it’s annoying, but Journeyman has never been that fun anyways. It’s typically been a development time. A time to focus on your team’s growth and to potentially win a championship with the drop out of a few teams.

Originally posted by NLF


I agree with other opinions stated here to remove the Jman Tier.

I agree we should reduce tiers, but that would involve increased cost between seasons. Currently, we pay to boost 4 to just start the season. This would require a change in costs, boosting etc... basically an overhaul how we pay to play.

Originally posted by dlcurt
I agree we should reduce tiers, but that would involve increased cost between seasons. Currently, we pay to boost 4 to just start the season. This would require a change in costs, boosting etc... basically an overhaul how we pay to play.

Couldn't they just spread out the Jman points across the other tiers?

Reducing tiers is just a temporary band-aid on a severed limb. The whole system needs to be rethought and overhauled. The game itself is great, but the age based tier system was a bit short sighted. I hope someday they will make a third game, I'm sure much was learned from their first two.

Short of a new game as you suggested, I've thought for some time we just should drop down to 1 or 2 protected early tiers, then move the rest into Vet (call it High School, College, and Pro or something). Prob the best/easiest thing that can be done within the current game's design, until/if there is a GLB3.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Short of a new game as you suggested, I've thought for some time we just should drop down to 1 or 2 protected early tiers, then move the rest into Vet (call it High School, College, and Pro or something). Prob the best/easiest thing that can be done within the current game's design, until/if there is a GLB3.

And then what? Down to two tiers then one? It’s a temporary fix to a fatally flawed system. It will buy time but we still end up at same place.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
And then what? Down to two tiers then one? It’s a temporary fix to a fatally flawed system. It will buy time but we still end up at same place.

I agree, but I don't see them doing any drastic changes unless we get a new game ala GLB3.

I like the ladder system......am I weird? It seemed a little unfair to play the higher tiers yeah but then you just get to play the lower tiers next season. What o The Boss x said made a lot of sense too. The higher tiers typically only have one league so a ladder system for them that only involve their league would be kinda redundant.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
And then what? Down to two tiers then one? It’s a temporary fix to a fatally flawed system. It will buy time but we still end up at same place.

I think that's an assumption. Four tiers might just be perfect. Won't know until we give it a try. At least there would be fewer CPU teams sitting in peoples divisions right?

Originally posted by NLF
I think that's an assumption. Four tiers might just be perfect. Won't know until we give it a try. At least there would be fewer CPU teams sitting in peoples divisions right?

That’s what people said when we dropped Seasoned. Really only took a few seasons to be right back where we started. Just 4 pro teams last season. When you go 3-4 seasons and don’t win anything people tend to reset. This is all a byproduct of age based tiers, it is what it is.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
That’s what people said when we dropped Seasoned. Really only took a few seasons to be right back where we started. Just 4 pro teams last season. When you go 3-4 seasons and don’t win anything people tend to reset. This is all a byproduct of age based tiers, it is what it is.

idk, i enjoy losing