Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Majestic Gent
are people factoring in fatigue in these observations?

I could quote about 20 different posts where conditioning was mentioned. Did you read the thread?

Originally posted by Rob.
I could quote about 20 different posts where conditioning was mentioned. Did you read the thread?

ok i'll bite, show me those 20 post where Conditioning is factoring in

Originally posted by Spastic_Cowboy
Saw this from a WR of mine today. http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/201690/809499?player_id=142980

The WR is 4.94, 30 Quickness, 70 Sprinting, 43 Conditioning
The CB is 5.42, can't see his ratings

He scores mainly because of how well he maintained speed while catching, but he didn't exactly blow the doors off in the open field. He had slightly more energy than the CB when the breakaway started, although he did lose energy quicker.

Looks like about 3 yards of separation right after the catch, then about 5 yards about 100 ticks later. Seems like he should be getting more separation than that over 6-7 seconds.

Energy played a role as you spent ~5 seconds of the 7 second run to the goalline with lower energy than the CB. Only the first second was really with higher energy, and the last second was run with even energy at minimum. Even more importantly, the WR had significantly lower morale relative to the CB for the entire play. Energy isn't the only bar that impacts your skills.

So instead of gaining ~5 yards over 7 seconds relative to the CB, you only gained 2-3.

Originally posted by Galithor


If anything, I think this thread is a solid argument for the merits of pushing conditioning higher and/or using SAs to further bolster it on these fast built HBs.

Thanks for the mathematical perspective, Gali. It does help. Do you disagree with my premise that defenders get a speed boost relative to ball carriers?

Originally posted by Merik
ok i'll bite, show me those 20 post where Conditioning is factoring in
Energy was mentioned a lot. Period.

Also dont see Galis Post about this thread showing speed backs need more conditioning as the OP had more energy the whole effin play

Originally posted by PaulM
Thanks for the mathematical perspective, Gali. It does help. Do you disagree with my premise that defenders get a speed boost relative to ball carriers?

I haven't ever noticed it or thought that to be the case.

Originally posted by Galithor
Energy played a role as you spent ~5 seconds of the 7 second run to the goalline with lower energy than the CB. Only the first second was really with higher energy, and the last second was run with even energy at minimum. Even more importantly, the WR had significantly lower morale relative to the CB for the entire play. Energy isn't the only bar that impacts your skills.

So instead of gaining ~5 yards over 7 seconds relative to the CB, you only gained 2-3.

Good call on the morale, didn't really notice it since I wasn't watching the game itself.

I guess I can buy that energy plus morale resulted in that outcome.

Originally posted by Rob.
I could quote about 20 different posts where conditioning was mentioned. Did you read the thread?

Yes I read the thread, but people keep saying the same thing and not factoring in fatigue which explains the results.

Originally posted by peeti

Energy was mentioned a lot. Period.

Also dont see Galis Post about this thread showing speed backs need more conditioning as the OP had more energy the whole effin play

hey i'll read galithor's post even if you don't want me too

In peeti's case in the OP, he didn't think the QB was pulling away. I do. They're pretty much even on the field when the chase really begins, and the safety has to make a diving tackle from behind a little over 2 seconds later.

Let's say the chase begins at tick 70 when the safety's sprite changes direction to get an angle. He's got about a half yard downfield lead on the QB at that point. By tick 85, 1 second later, the QB is nearly 1 yard further downfield than the safety due to angle, safety probably not quite up to speed yet, and extra sprinting on the QB. From tick 85-100, the safety is up to speed, and the angle is much tighter. The QB still gains about half a yard further downfield progress relative to the CB, which is probably about right for a guy that's .3 seconds faster in the 40 with relatively even energy/morale. The front feet of the players when the Safety goes in for the diving tackle are nearly 2 yards apart at tick 104ish.

The number of ticks per second is probably throwing some folks off. They're expecting more to happen over a 30 tick span, but that's only 2 seconds on the clock. You're just not going to go that much further than another player in 2 seconds unless you're massively faster than they are. If peeti's QB was running a 4.5 or 4.6 at this point, we'd be talking about how he outran the LB and the FS to the corner for a long touchdown.

Fast QBs are trash though

Originally posted by Merik
hey i'll read galithor's post even if you don't want me too

Yeah...Exactly what I said

Originally posted by peeti
Yeah...Exactly what I said

yeah sure