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TDiddy8701
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Originally posted by bhall43
I think there is an offense that can do really well against them. Kinda kicking myself. Though I don't exactly have the horses to do it really well.


well... they have lost twice to running teams, so there's that

I won't be running 60 times against them though, haha

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If it's not running, I think I know what you're talking about btw, but you're welcome to share anyway
Edited by TDiddy8701 on Jun 12, 2015 23:57:37
 
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I dunno i haven't watched any running games. But I think if you can do both reasonably well you should be able to do something against them from my perspective. I just have such a short offense chart and seen that he went cover 1 in one game that I looked at that I shot everything at that but that was a bad choice. That is what I get for the game i looked at. So there is that.
 
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there are a lot of plays id be interested in working in against them fwiw...but generally suck. my assumption is they still probably suck but would love to see them in action.
 
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EDIT...

been drinking... I need to shut up before I say something I regret about my gameplan
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Galithor
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You should stick to 2WR or less, for starters. Just take your 3WR+ plays and toss them in the garbage pail.
 
Absolut Zero
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I'm flattered, this convo makes me

But no need to change your offense around vs me. I assure you Unguided Missile has the flu, he missed the team plane, he died of dysentery on the Oregon Trail.
 
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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
he died of dysentery on the Oregon Trail.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/how-oregon-trail-traumatized-all-of-us-as-children#.xjdOQJWXRb
 
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Originally posted by Stobie
You can't make that argument, when you know you haven't built the QB to be a blitz beater. You built him to be a Belgarion feeder, intentionally slowing down his reads and ensuring that WR3 gets the target more often than not. Mercy Flush was built to be a blitz beater, but the issue with that setup is that the WR's are rather slow and against the 3% of teams who have a 100 speed ROLB or equiv he struggles, but others tends to handle the blitz well.


I disagree. Read the tool tips. Consistency is 'under pressure'. There is no description related to Awareness that it helps with the Blitz. There is no game-related analysis that shows high Pass Awareness helps against the Blitz. In fact there are numerous game related examples of high Pass Awareness (vs. high Consistency) leading to MORE sacks, not less. Look at other QBs in Belgaraths tier. Belgarath pumped Conssitency early; other QBs didn't.
Belgarath has one of the lowest sack ratios of a QB. Plus he has 70 Pocket Awareness with Gold OtR and probably higher Footwork than most (though not much overall). And no QB can match his Toughness and Heart. If we knew that you could extend Skill Values above 100 for sure, I'd put him back on a high contract. The effective SP Value of that would be enormous.

And my team isn't a Belgarion feeder. It's a misrepresentation that's common. There are plenty of games where Belgarion gets sub-par stats and my team puts up huge numbers. What my Offense is is a Choice. If you sell out to stop Belgarion and/or my two TEs, my outside guys burn you. Blitz and Belgarion gets 50 targets.

You can easily stop Belgarion. That's never been the point. You have to stop everyone. And yes some teams have done that. And I don't care about those games. I care about the Meta.

I used to play Magic the Gathering when it first came out. There emerged a Deck built by Brian Weissman. You could easily build a Deck to beat his. However, that Deck would perform poorly against all other Decks. So if you knew you were only going to play against him, then beating him was easy. But when you have to play in a Tournament against a variety of Decks, you become very exposed to being beat from him. He played the Meta, not a match. I've tried to build the LZ Boys with the same concept.

Belgarath and Belgarion have been the #1 QB and WR for each season in their tier and are now again in Vet competing against of mix of multi-season builds. It's hard to argue I didn't build them right.

But defaulting to the argument that I didn't invest in Pass Awareness so I didn't really build a blitz beating QB is a dishonest argument when you bring no facts to the table - only a personal belief that PA is what beats the blitz. Stop thinking you are right and I'm wrong when all of the descriptions, data and gameplay suggest I'm right.

My taunt to Cdog was precisely to get him to address this issue. Perhaps I am wrong, but after 5.5 seasons I don't think that's the high probablilty outcome. In my view, there's a much greater probability that "all" of you are wrong.

I've been open with my builds and thoughts on this for several seasons. I'll continue to stick to my position until I'm outright wrong .. Or you join me in the light.


 
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hmm
Edited by Duro on Jun 13, 2015 11:31:53
 
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I played Magic the Gathering back in 1994. Still have my cards. Got a couple of my favorites...the red flying Dragon, 5/5 I believe.
 
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Originally posted by Xars
I disagree. Read the tool tips. Consistency is 'under pressure'. There is no description related to Awareness that it helps with the Blitz. There is no game-related analysis that shows high Pass Awareness helps against the Blitz. In fact there are numerous game related examples of high Pass Awareness (vs. high Consistency) leading to MORE sacks, not less. Look at other QBs in Belgaraths tier. Belgarath pumped Conssitency early; other QBs didn't.
Belgarath has one of the lowest sack ratios of a QB. Plus he has 70 Pocket Awareness with Gold OtR and probably higher Footwork than most (though not much overall). And no QB can match his Toughness and Heart. If we knew that you could extend Skill Values above 100 for sure, I'd put him back on a high contract. The effective SP Value of that would be enormous.

And my team isn't a Belgarion feeder. It's a misrepresentation that's common. There are plenty of games where Belgarion gets sub-par stats and my team puts up huge numbers. What my Offense is is a Choice. If you sell out to stop Belgarion and/or my two TEs, my outside guys burn you. Blitz and Belgarion gets 50 targets.

You can easily stop Belgarion. That's never been the point. You have to stop everyone. And yes some teams have done that. And I don't care about those games. I care about the Meta.

I used to play Magic the Gathering when it first came out. There emerged a Deck built by Brian Weissman. You could easily build a Deck to beat his. However, that Deck would perform poorly against all other Decks. So if you knew you were only going to play against him, then beating him was easy. But when you have to play in a Tournament against a variety of Decks, you become very exposed to being beat from him. He played the Meta, not a match. I've tried to build the LZ Boys with the same concept.

Belgarath and Belgarion have been the #1 QB and WR for each season in their tier and are now again in Vet competing against of mix of multi-season builds. It's hard to argue I didn't build them right.

But defaulting to the argument that I didn't invest in Pass Awareness so I didn't really build a blitz beating QB is a dishonest argument when you bring no facts to the table - only a personal belief that PA is what beats the blitz. Stop thinking you are right and I'm wrong when all of the descriptions, data and gameplay suggest I'm right.

My taunt to Cdog was precisely to get him to address this issue. Perhaps I am wrong, but after 5.5 seasons I don't think that's the high probablilty outcome. In my view, there's a much greater probability that "all" of you are wrong.

I've been open with my builds and thoughts on this for several seasons. I'll continue to stick to my position until I'm outright wrong .. Or you join me in the light.




Lol? The 2nd and 3rd last paragraph is a joke, isnt it?
 
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2 turnovers (INT in endzone, and punt return fumble, leading to their first TD) were the difference against FSM. Combined they were probably a 10-14 point swing... and neither were by FFs by unguided

INT in the endzone was a back-breaker... as it typically is in even matches - http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/194259/1851441?player_id=62757

wtf was my SS doing here... that should have been an easy stop leading to a punt late mid 4th Q - http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/194259/1851841?player_id=99309

I'm hoping for a rematch, but doubt I'll get it...

it may not look like it, but passing teams playing them in the future, today was a good guide on how to move the ball against FSM (TEs went 19 of 26). WR Hook was the only 3 WR play I used as the HB sometimes blocks... take EVERY OTHER 3 WR pass play out including drive and post. I dont really have the energy to do it, but I'm pretty confident the 62.2% comp was the highest they have given up this season.
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DeeVee8
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Originally posted by TDiddy8701
GG FSM. You guys have a sick defense.


FYP. Stay classy Tdidds.
 
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So seeing as how everyone and thier momma is probably grooming an unguided middle clone/ v2.0, does this mean 3WR+ passing is soon ded?
 
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Also worth noting, starting to see some teams with worse records keep rank over teams with better records.
 
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