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Queue jfbueno calling for actual ELO scores to be made public.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
Queue jfbueno calling for actual ELO scores to be made public.

They should be, there is no reason for them not to be posted.

I don't disagree. I was just queuing up one of the more vocal proponents for it.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
RIF is definitely running on 'old' ELO.

Off-season ELO adjustments towards the average would do a lot to fix that. Every teams ELO rank stays the same, but it'll remove some of these massive stockpiles of ELO that you see.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
RIF is definitely running on 'old' ELO. Teams retiring out helped them, creating the gaps in ELO that has made the top 10 so stagnant. With ELO, RIF will get hurt most by losing to teams far below their rank (what otherwise are highly expected wins for RIF). RIF losing to MMA, Djibouti Assassins, Stunners, etc. doesn't hurt them. Simultaneously, beating teams they are far expected to beat doesn't net them much ELO. Beating those CPU league teams is going to be pretty worthless.

For us to lose RIF they need to play more of the Whoville and even Galatic Heroes type teams (and lose) while the teams underneath them catch up in ELO. My guess is you're right on their tail but a team like Minnesota Balanced Raid or the Oregon Ducks have no luck to catch them. Have to remember how many teams folded to really understand where someone's actual ELO value might fall.

I just feel like we should be attaining far more ELO than them with wins.

Ok - tracking as of today. 13 games in. Below is team name / record this season / how many spots they've moved this season (+5 means they've moved up 5 spots better...I realize this is a bit counter intuitive - but what can I say...I'm a rebel).

I do understand how ELO works. I don't really need a lesson -- but feel free to type one up if you get off on that kind of thing.

This also vet only -- so probably gets a bit murky toward the bottom where the vet order hasn't changed...but pro teams have slipped ahead.



#1 Minnesota Stunners 12-1 unchanged

#2 Harrisonburg 12-1 unchanged

#3 MMA 11-2 gained 1 spot

#4 Air Raid 6-7 dropped 1 spot

#5 QC 10-3 unchanged

#6 DA 11-2 unchanged

#7 Run GLB 10-3 gained 1 spot

#8 Run Defenders 10-3 gained 1 spot

#9 RIF 7-6 lost 2 spots

#10 MBR 12-1 gained 6 spots

#11 Gatling 6-7 lost 1 spot

#12 Ducks 6-7 gained 3 spots

#13 DD 2.0 1-12 lost 2 spots

#14 DD 9-4 gained 6 spots

#15 Ft Collins Stoners 8-5 gained 2 spots

#16 Richmond 9-4 gained 3 spots

#17 Jersey Goons 0-13 lost 5 spots

#18 Hillfield Dinos 1-12 lost 5 spots

#19 Wesley Chapel Warriors 7-6 gained 2 spots

#20 Grass Valley 2-11 lost 2 spots

#21 NJ Generals 0-13 lost 7 spots

#22 Galactic Heroes 4-9 gained 1 spot

#23 Long Island Knights 10-3 gained 2 spots

#24 Alliance Cobras 3-10 lost 2 spots

#25 Whoville Whos 9-4 gained 1 spot

#26 Capua 8-5 gained 2 spots

#27 Battle Creek Mayhem 9-4 gained 3 spots

#28 Offtopica Faith 3-10 lost 4 spots

#29 TT's Superstars 12-1 gained 6 spots

#30 Tampa Sandmen 8-5 gained 1 spot

#31 Nashville Sounders 8-5 <- did they have a name change?

#32 Houston Gamblers 7-6 gained 2 spots

#33 Defiant Angry Rebels 4-8-1 lost 6 spots

#34 Albequerque Hippos 4-9 lost 5 spots

#35 Chicago Marauders 6-7 gained 1 spot

#36 Independence Day Warriors 5-8 gained 1 spot

#37 San Diego Dragon Thunder 0-13 lost 5 spots

#38 Cleveland Barons 4-9 unchanged

#39 South Aussie Thunder 6-7 unchanged

#40 Mighty Morphin 12-1

#41 Paris 12-1

#42 Walk GLB 9-4

#43 Pittsburgh Ninjas 7-6

Considering our record this season, you would expect that TT's would have been able to move up the ladder a bit more.

I'm happy to lurk, but it really must show the sizeable difference in ELO between the top tier and the bottom of the tier.

Or just the sizeable difference in ELO at the bottom of the tier.

29 of the top 29 teams are all Vet, first Pro team is Ground Assault at 30.

Despite being 12-1, I'm still mostly getting to play down the ladder, which means very little chance to move up except in those league games.

Air Raid (our only loss this season) are still holding on to #4 despite a losing season, probably on a pretty high banked ELO over the seasons.

I'm wondering if the K value doesn't need a bigger adjustment?

seems to me you could quintuple it and still be ok.


I agree - in a perfect world - you'd have moved up a lot more than you have with your record (of course with tougher schedule, your record might be slightly different too)

Originally posted by Time Trial
Air Raid (our only loss this season) are still holding on to #4 despite a losing season, probably on a pretty high banked ELO over the seasons.

I'm wondering if the K value doesn't need a bigger adjustment?

This seems to be the biggest issue (without actual ELO we can't know), but teams with longer legacy seem to move less.

Perhaps the ELO score needs to drop old games faster.

I know there would be a lot of criticizing Bort/Cdog if ELO was made public, but it would also allow the users to perform some quality control testing to let Bort/Cdog know if things aren't working properly.

0-13 team ahead of 2 12-1 teams?

Originally posted by Xars
This seems to be the biggest issue (without actual ELO we can't know), but teams with longer legacy seem to move less.

Perhaps the ELO score needs to drop old games faster.

I know there would be a lot of criticizing Bort/Cdog if ELO was made public, but it would also allow the users to perform some quality control testing to let Bort/Cdog know if things aren't working properly.



ELO doesn't drop old games. That's not how it works. It's a self adjusting/correcting ranking mechanism.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Considering our record this season, you would expect that TT's would have been able to move up the ladder a bit more.

I'm happy to lurk, but it really must show the sizeable difference in ELO between the top tier and the bottom of the tier.

Or just the sizeable difference in ELO at the bottom of the tier.

29 of the top 29 teams are all Vet, first Pro team is Ground Assault at 30.

Despite being 12-1, I'm still mostly getting to play down the ladder, which means very little chance to move up except in those league games.

Air Raid (our only loss this season) are still holding on to #4 despite a losing season, probably on a pretty high banked ELO over the seasons.

I'm wondering if the K value doesn't need a bigger adjustment?

Aren't you up like 13 spots? Lol

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Aren't you up like 13 spots? Lol

#35 to #29.

IIRC, I think we only got to 35 because of teams retiring ahead of us and taking their marbles home.

Something needs changed with it, DD2.0 has dropped 2 spots with a 1-12 record this season. I don't know how many times the entire user base has to say they want something fixed before it gets done.