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Originally posted by bhall43
I feel like negatives to the passing game are a wrong move. Yes passing defense needs some improvements but I think we need to revisit the entire pass game all together. The screens are annoyingly bad. We need a way to stop the drops and falls so often on these screens. But we also need a way to formulate the defense where they aren't blasted by that as well. Power Runners shouldn't be higher fumble rates than regular WR's because they have the ability to carry people. That is ridiculous. I feel like I get double screwed on my team because my WR is able to carry a guy for 10 yards but has a great rate of fumbling doing that. But he also is far less efficient than the average WR who catches the ball and isn't break tackle. But that could all be changed through not falling as much on catches. Maybe guys who can't break tackles fumble more often that way. At the same time interceptions and deflections could be tweaked up a bit since there would be much less falling down. Would be great all around imo.

It is sad to me we had to go this many seasons tweaking the running game around GL. Now that the 2 biggest problems have been eliminated from use, it makes a lot of the changes seem silly. Hopefully we can see this in the upcoming season that rushing is in a nice place and we can stop the big blocking changes from completely going into effect all together. But the passing game is going to take a bit more thought on the defensive side. Or you are just OP'ing defensive skills for no reason imo. We need to make the whole thing be fluid.

Sorry, but Im pretty sure anyone saying this havent watched rookie/sophemore over the last few seasons. Just like CDog it seems...

Removing outside GL and not doing shit about early passing/pass defense is pretty much a slap in the face for all teams trying to get a rushing team to higher tiers. Its just lazy, dunno what it could be otherwise.

I hope the retardness of this season will finally get his attention on this

Originally posted by peeti
Sorry, but Im pretty sure anyone saying this havent watched rookie/sophemore over the last few seasons. Just like CDog it seems...

Removing outside GL and not doing shit about early passing/pass defense is pretty much a slap in the face for all teams trying to get a rushing team to higher tiers. Its just lazy, dunno what it could be otherwise.

I hope the retardness of this season will finally get his attention on this

4 of the 5 top scoring teams in Rookie last season were Rushing teams. Exactly where is passing OP at?

Originally posted by Parab00n
4 of the 5 top scoring teams in Rookie last season were Rushing teams. Exactly where is passing OP at?

Well...did you read my whole post?
Pls check where prolly half of the yards came from?

Also...check Sophemore where most teams that used terrible GL defense gutted and look there again. I dont care if you are blind to see it or if you intentionally ignore the point of my post.

After the season we will talk again

Originally posted by peeti
Well...did you read my whole post?
Pls check where prolly half of the yards came from?

Also...check Sophemore where most teams that used terrible GL defense gutted and look there again. I dont care if you are blind to see it or if you intentionally ignore the point of my post.

After the season we will talk again

That doesn't change the fact that the top passing team in Rookie finished the season at a 49% Completion rate and 4th in points. I agree that QBs read the field way too fast, but they have to since Spin Cycle dominates any type of pass blocking regardless of how high you push it.

Ok...you want to ignore it. I dont care...Even guys that only gave me shit like Rob agree to that because he actually played in rookie and sophemore and knows it himself.

We can stop the discussion. You are as blind as CDog. We now have a stacked rookie class. It will figure itself out at about game 15 and we will see the change next season or after season 11 when those guys cried about it in sophemore where its even worse. Until that Erkner will be out of that hell and idc anymore. I still will be the first cheering the overdue change

Originally posted by peeti
Ok...you want to ignore it. I dont care...Even guys that only gave me shit like Rob agree to that because he actually played in rookie and sophemore and knows it himself.

We can stop the discussion. You are as blind as CDog. We now have a stacked rookie class. It will figure itself out at about game 15 and we will see the change next season or after season 11 when those guys cried about it in sophemore where its even worse. Until that Erkner will be out of that hell and idc anymore. I still will be the first cheering the overdue change

What would you prefer? We go back to the DAG/ZEB days when you can't even pretend to throw a pass without getting sacked 20+ times in rookie/sophomore?

Originally posted by Galithor
What would you prefer? We go back to the DAG/ZEB days when you can't even pretend to throw a pass without getting sacked 20+ times in rookie/sophomore?

no...Did I ever say that i want them to be sacked more? I say for a dozen weeks now that the CiT roll early on needs to be nerfed a bit or even buff early pass d. I saw that with Columbus. Even with pure rec hands investment the CIT roll is won way too often.
Also defense reaction on those TE and hook routes is bad, but I dont see that as the big problem.

OFC I dont want the DAG season again. O do think hurried passes need a bigger penalty. I have ridiculous games I could show you. But that is a different story and is more a Problem in higher tiers.

So to answer your question, no

I think it is definitely a good change for the game.

Last season in rookie:
QB rollout run 4,716 times averaging 11.48 yards per attempt. Hard to argue about that being removed.
Peeti - your team ran it 132 times and averaged 17.4 yards per attempt.
QB rollout Weak was run 2,754 times and averaged 6.16 per
HB Sweep wasn't nearly as effective. In all of rookie it looks like it was run 2345 times and averaged 5.12 yards per (with 35% tackle for loss).

To compare that:
weak I dive weak was run only 1382 times
proset sweep was run 2031
strong I sweep 1800 times

Just no question QB rollouts were being abused.

This is a monster change for rookie ball (though much needed in my opinion). I do agree with peeti that passing will be dominant at rookie this season -- and rookie running coordinators will really have to do a good job to get points on the board this season.

Will passing need to be "balanced" a bit at rookie going forward? I'm guessing yes, but it will be evident if so.

Two good things from this change:
- no more abusing CPU and new team owners by exploiting what has to be acknowledged as a glitch in the defensive Al/playbook.
- no more coasting behind GL sweep / GL rollout / GL rollout weak -- and those coordinators who've been relying heavily on it will be exposed as crappy and lazy.
- I think after this season - it will cause a decline in all running teams starting up -- or there could even be teams that basically blow off rookie since it will get easier to run soph+


*yes - stunners would have been way, way, way worse at rookie if we hadn't abused the QB rollout and the GL sweep. I wish Stobie's could pull up earlier seasons to break that down further.

Originally posted by peeti
Ok...you want to ignore it. I dont care...Even guys that only gave me shit like Rob agree to that because he actually played in rookie and sophemore and knows it himself.

We can stop the discussion. You are as blind as CDog. We now have a stacked rookie class. It will figure itself out at about game 15 and we will see the change next season or after season 11 when those guys cried about it in sophemore where its even worse. Until that Erkner will be out of that hell and idc anymore. I still will be the first cheering the overdue change

Post some data, where are all these passing teams just dominating the rookie tier at? Last I checked the standings ended like this. Now I know this doesn't tell you everything because normally there are only a few elite teams per tier, but to me that doesn't seem unbalanced at Rookie. The good news is that each tier you go up Rushing pulls away from passing.

1. Pass Team
2. Rush Team
3. Pass Heavy - 80% Pass, 20% Run
4. Rush
5. Rush
6. Pass
7. Rush
8. Rush
9. Pass
10. Rush

To say all that, passing and rushing both need pretty big changes to the mechanics of each or defenses need a big boost (least preferable IMO) as it'll continue to put balanced teams behind the 8 ball. Instead of all these blocking hidden changes, Bort and Co should have reset the SPs on every offensive player in the game and made them respend it. So what if teams completely changed their identity, at least we wouldn't be stuck with an unknown and even if its in effect.

Originally posted by Parab00n


1. Pass Team
2. Rush Team
3. Pass Heavy - 80% Pass, 20% Run
4. Rush
5. Rush
6. Pass
7. Rush
8. Rush
9. Pass
10. Rush


Right - that is how season 9 ended.

Erkner had 13,416 yards
4099 yards of that came from GL (mostly sweeps and rollouts)

So - they just 'lost' 30% of their offense.

I think he is simply predicting: Passing should stay about the same -- and rushing will see a large drop off.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Post some data, where are all these passing teams just dominating the rookie tier at? Last I checked the standings ended like this. Now I know this doesn't tell you everything because normally there are only a few elite teams per tier, but to me that doesn't seem unbalanced at Rookie. The good news is that each tier you go up Rushing pulls away from passing.

1. Pass Team
2. Rush Team
3. Pass Heavy - 80% Pass, 20% Run
4. Rush
5. Rush
6. Pass
7. Rush
8. Rush
9. Pass
10. Rush

To say all that, passing and rushing both need pretty big changes to the mechanics of each or defenses need a big boost (least preferable IMO) as it'll continue to put balanced teams behind the 8 ball. Instead of all these blocking hidden changes, Bort and Co should have reset the SPs on every offensive player in the game and made them respend it. So what if teams completely changed their identity, at least we wouldn't be stuck with an unknown and even if its in effect.

ok...now I know that you do not only pretend to be stupid. Still missing my point

Originally posted by TxSteve
Right - that is how season 9 ended.

Erkner had 13,416 yards
4099 yards of that came from GL (mostly sweeps and rollouts)

So - they just 'lost' 30% of their offense.

I think he is simply predicting: Passing should stay about the same -- and rushing will see a large drop off.

Wow...at least someone actually read my whole post. Really...

Originally posted by TxSteve
Right - that is how season 9 ended.

Erkner had 13,416 yards
4099 yards of that came from GL (mostly sweeps and rollouts)

So - they just 'lost' 30% of their offense.

I think he is simply predicting: Passing should stay about the same -- and rushing will see a large drop off.

and check that statistic pls for all other top ten ruahing teams not called erkner...you might see sth para, but yeah. that would be too much for you I guess as you still only argue about half my post

Originally posted by peeti
ok...now I know that you do not only pretend to be stupid. Still missing my point

and btw...you could also say no1 and no2 are pass teams as we finnished both second. so dont just put them at 3 to hide anything

It will only get way worse in soph. Saw that, know that