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Originally posted by Galithor
So he's on pace for 6-8? 5 CBs with 7 INTS would be more than 1 per game. Toss in some safeties and LBs with INT builds, and it'd be a couple INTs per game.

Seems OK to me.

Also you have to remember this is non superstars well below the highest level.

Originally posted by Corndog
Nope.

I really don't know but there are a lot of bad coverage defaults beyond the smother plays. I can't imagine that all still works well within the Heuristic coverages. But maybe?

Originally posted by bhall43
I really don't know but there are a lot of bad coverage defaults beyond the smother plays. I can't imagine that all still works well within the Heuristic coverages. But maybe?

They generally work.

It gets weird when you want to do crap like run with 4 CBs against a 1 WR offense, but seriously.

I'd be cool with corndog placing more of a damper to lower pass power throws, easier to INT, while simultaneously giving QBs the ability to 'tailor' their power on a throw based on the route/place in the route.

Then get rid of the CBs spinning and make them react appropriately...and be able to affect the WRs routes, the WRs just having the obvious timing advantage.

Granted that's about 3 seasons worth of changes lol.

Originally posted by bhall43
Was just assuming I guess as my seasoned guys have 45 and journeyman has 49 and they all were going hard until this footwork faze.

Damn, my guys must be way behind. All of my CBs have low 40s on INTs. I don't have enough SPs to go around I guess, being able to add a little of everything a CB needs to be able to not get completely killed by something is crazy. Does anyone have CBs with 60+ footwork yet? All my guys are around 55 and just got there. Was curious to see the difference in coverage with higher level guys.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Damn, my guys must be way behind. All of my CBs have low 40s on INTs. I don't have enough SPs to go around I guess, being able to add a little of everything a CB needs to be able to not get completely killed by something is crazy. Does anyone have CBs with 60+ footwork yet? All my guys are around 55 and just got there. Was curious to see the difference in coverage with higher level guys.

The seasoned CB I was talking about above with 50+ INT skill also has 55 Footwork. He'll definitely have 60+ before journeyman because the one thing that does work for covering out routes is not having to turn at all, and high enough footwork does that.

His coverage tech is lagging because of this, but it's pretty obvious with where things are that Footwork is way moar betterer than Cov Tech as things stand right now.

Originally posted by Thunderoo
How many CBs have really invested that heavily into int? I know a lot with 70+ deflecting but none with 50+ int.

Originally posted by bhall43
Ton of guys with 50+ int.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Where? I haven't seen any.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28732

I took him down in PT this season because 2 INTS a season isn't worth a 63% recall. Maybe I should put him back at the 2 spot?

Guess I'll just post this here:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2825348
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2825836
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2826311

Question: it seems on these plays (with the cross) one of the CB's gets confused about which WR he is supposed to be covering. Is there some kind of halo or something that is getting tripped -- causing him to switch coverage targets unintentionally? I'm only including 3 examples here - but could probably find more from this game alone.

The CB is only in sophomore - so certainly possible he is failing man awareness checks or something...but seems too consistent for that - which makes me wonder about the halo.

Originally posted by DeeVee8
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28732

I took him down in PT this season because 2 INTS a season isn't worth a 63% recall. Maybe I should put him back at the 2 spot?

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/27882

My CB with the most INTs this season.

Biggest differences being Quickness & Def consistency, although the builds look pretty close in most spots.

Originally posted by TxSteve
Guess I'll just post this here:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2825348
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2825836
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2826311

Question: it seems on these plays (with the cross) one of the CB's gets confused about which WR he is supposed to be covering. Is there some kind of halo or something that is getting tripped -- causing him to switch coverage targets unintentionally? I'm only including 3 examples here - but could probably find more from this game alone.

The CB is only in sophomore - so certainly possible he is failing man awareness checks or something...but seems too consistent for that - which makes me wonder about the halo.

1st play - CB4 covers WR4. He spazzes a bit when the WR breaks to the outside which actually happens with or without another WR in the area. Then, he waits entirely too long to turn (and is obviously using psychic abilities to eventually make the decision) to make the actual turn, and of course, when he does, it's a nice 215 degree or so turn because it's to the inside even tho the WR is outside of him.

2nd play - CB3 covers WR3. This one was a mess because players will try not to run through each other. He doesn't actually make a backpedal turn in coverage on that play either since he was able to hold backpedal until after the QB threw the ball (slow WR). He made an awareness check on the pass which prolly saved you since that meant he could turn directly to the WR instead of that stupid looping inside garbage.

3rd play - CB3 on WR3 so again the right guy is in coverage. That one looks like he keeps flipping between wanting to start the turn and not start the turn. Somewhere around I posted a bunch of those involving the SS trying to cover a TE. That's broken in a way I didn't bring up in this thread but is still really bad.

Originally posted by Parab00n
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/27882

My CB with the most INTs this season.

Biggest differences being Quickness & Def consistency, although the builds look pretty close in most spots.

Well, the biggest difference is your guy has been targeted a whole lot more, but your guy would still be a tiny bit better percentage wise except I'd still say it's well within any kind of expected deviation.

Originally posted by Xavori
1st play - CB4 covers WR4. He spazzes a bit when the WR breaks to the outside which actually happens with or without another WR in the area. Then, he waits entirely too long to turn (and is obviously using psychic abilities to eventually make the decision) to make the actual turn, and of course, when he does, it's a nice 215 degree or so turn because it's to the inside even tho the WR is outside of him.

2nd play - CB3 covers WR3. This one was a mess because players will try not to run through each other. He doesn't actually make a backpedal turn in coverage on that play either since he was able to hold backpedal until after the QB threw the ball (slow WR). He made an awareness check on the pass which prolly saved you since that meant he could turn directly to the WR instead of that stupid looping inside garbage.

3rd play - CB3 on WR3 so again the right guy is in coverage. That one looks like he keeps flipping between wanting to start the turn and not start the turn. Somewhere around I posted a bunch of those involving the SS trying to cover a TE. That's broken in a way I didn't bring up in this thread but is still really bad.

I see what you're saying - but the CB in question on each play takes a quick step forward (toward the wrong WR) which is the first thing that happens that gets everything else off kilter.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2825348 - CB 4 around tick 26.5 takes a step toward WR 2 which gets him out of position

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2825836 - same thing: CB 4 sticks with WR2 for a few steps before realizing he is supposed to be on WR4

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/59667/2826311 - same thing except it happens to both CB4 and CB3

The issue seems to be they get confused about their coverage responsibility -- and as a result - fall a few steps behind. The turn/freeze crap seems to exacerbate the problem...but they are already behind because they covered the wrong guy for a step or two -- which makes me wonder if there is a coverage halo / confusion bug happening.

Originally posted by Xavori
Well, the biggest difference is your guy has been targeted a whole lot more, but your guy would still be a tiny bit better percentage wise except I'd still say it's well within any kind of expected deviation.

Builds, talking about builds.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Damn, my guys must be way behind. All of my CBs have low 40s on INTs. I don't have enough SPs to go around I guess, being able to add a little of everything a CB needs to be able to not get completely killed by something is crazy. Does anyone have CBs with 60+ footwork yet? All my guys are around 55 and just got there. Was curious to see the difference in coverage with higher level guys.

Couple guys on OG have 60+ footwork. One has 70+.

Reason my INT is higher is because while everyone was hitting deflect hard i was hitting INT.

Originally posted by TxSteve
I see what you're saying - but the CB in question on each play takes a quick step forward (toward the wrong WR) which is the first thing that happens that gets everything else off kilter.

I saw what you were saying. I just don't think it's anything to do with confused on coverage. I just think coverage is broken.

For example, check out the spazzing by both CB's on this play:
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/70245/2205231

Only 2 WR's, so no chance of confusion.

CB1 does the twist (but not well enough to win the World Famous Jack Rabbit Slim's Twist Contest), and CB2 just stops cuz reasons or something.